I don't get it

[hitech]

Seriously, HTC say they try to do everything they can to make the game as realistic as the situations were from 1939- 1945, and now have CHANGED the historical use of radar from WWII and turn it into some hyper-accurate, down to a 5 story building perfect electronic system that DID NOT EXIST IN WWII! 

ROX

We have never stated anything of the sort.

We simply try to simulate the planes and vehicles accurately , we never try to duplicate WWII.

HiTEch

[FALCONWING]

can someone please identify which of Lulu's posts were so disrespectful to delirium that Ghosth's "gloves will come off" statement made any sense at all???  I agree that Ghosth was obviously not threatening physical violence but it IS disturbing to read a statement suggesting that disagreeing with or engaging in dialog with an AH trainer would result in some form of discipline???  

Why would this be the case?  If it is so, then i will go out of my way to avoid engaging in polite debate with any AH staff

[Bear76]

can someone please identify which of Lulu's posts were so disrespectful to delirium that Ghosth's "gloves will come off" statement made any sense at all???  I agree that Ghosth was obviously not threatening physical violence but it IS disturbing to read a statement suggesting that disagreeing with or engaging in dialog with an AH trainer would result in some form of discipline???  

Why would this be the case?  If it is so, then i will go out of my way to avoid engaging in polite debate with any AH staff

Where did you see dicipline? I never saw or assumed that was implied.

[Vulgar]

Bear76 - That is your comprehension of "off come the gloves". To me and possibly to others. That means I am going to throw down the gloves, like in hockey, and start a fight with you.

The worst part of it is, the statement clearly states that some kind of action will be taken. While the fault is not Lulu's. The fault lies with Gosth. Because he is an experienced AH trainer. His statement is clearly a threat, it states action will be taken. Lulu is simply someone attempting to converse with someone in their language. You know like you did at the age of 1 or 2. I suppose your parents threatened you when you said "mamma or dadda" instead of "mommy or daddy", they probably threw off the gloves and smacked you around to.

"Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy" <--- clearly states reprisal if Lulu says anything Gosth does not like. As I have already stated. Lulu undoubtedly used verbiage that he does not clearly understand. The smarter man (gosth?) will realize that and instead of threaten, he will coach, or what is another word for that, "train", a person in the proper use of the language they have a better understanding of.

That is the problem with ignorant and arrogant Americans. They only want to see things in their own light, and attack anyone who dares to do or say anything differently. I give Lulu cudos for having the courage to attempt to converse with people of another country with different customs, and language.

When I was nine years old, my father moved to Mexico from Wisconsin. I was the only "Gringo" (young boy) in the school and the whole town. I have found other people from all over the world to be much more accommodating and understanding than the UGLY Americans. Don't get me wrong, I am a disabled US veteran. But I have also lived in Latin America for a large portion of my life. I see the Ugly American daily, and it gets old. Currently American attitude is causing more problems than it is solving, you might want to start learning another language, or change your attitude, the US is out numbered by about 6 billion people. Ever hear of a NOE HORDE????

Vulgar

[Bear76]

Bear76 - That is your comprehension of "off come the gloves". To me and possibly to others. That means I am going to throw down the gloves, like in hockey, and start a fight with you.

The worst part of it is, the statement clearly states that some kind of action will be taken. While the fault is not Lulu's. The fault lies with Gosth. Because he is an experienced AH trainer. His statement is clearly a threat, it states action will be taken. Lulu is simply someone attempting to converse with someone in their language. You know like you did at the age of 1 or 2. I suppose your parents threatened you when you said "mamma or dadda" instead of "mommy or daddy", they probably threw off the gloves and smacked you around to.

"Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy" <--- clearly states reprisal if Lulu says anything Gosth does not like. As I have already stated. Lulu undoubtedly used verbiage that he does not clearly understand. The smarter man (gosth?) will realize that and instead of threaten, he will coach, or what is another word for that, "train", a person in the proper use of the language they have a better understanding of.

That is the problem with ignorant and arrogant Americans. They only want to see things in their own light, and attack anyone who dares to do or say anything differently. I give Lulu cudos for having the courage to attempt to converse with people of another country with different customs, and language.

When I was nine years old, my father moved to Mexico from Wisconsin. I was the only "Gringo" (young boy) in the school and the whole town. I have found other people from all over the world to be much more accommodating and understanding than the UGLY Americans. Don't get me wrong, I am a disabled US veteran. But I have also lived in Latin America for a large portion of my life. I see the Ugly American daily, and it gets old. Currently American attitude is causing more problems than it is solving, you might want to start learning another language, or change your attitude, the US is out numbered by about 6 billion people. Ever hear of a NOE HORDE????

Vulgar

Wow, do you feel better? I've known Ghost a long time and I know better. You see it the way you want to. No where did I see any hint of reprisal. This should get some interesting replies.


P.S. - Ghost is Canadian, not an "Ugly American"   

[kilo2]

Wow, do you feel better? I've known Ghost a long time and I know better. You see it the way you want to. No where did I see any hint of reprisal. This should get some interesting replies.

Well I guess he could be literally sitting at his computer with gloves on......

[Delirium]

the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear).  Specifically NOE raids.

I have never talked to Hitech on the phone, I've never gone to a Convention, the closest I've ever gotten to him is escorting Santa on Christmas Eve. With all due respect, you're absolutely paranoid! A blind/deaf man could see the 'whack-a-mole' gameplay that has been going on.

You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support  (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA)  You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there

The few times I've seen a true FT area on the map, its either; captured by one country completely, its a vulch fest, its loaded with low level flaks, or the fights are higher there than the rest of the map. Hitech can't force good game-play, nor does this community enforce itself. Maybe I should call Hitech on his private 'red-phone' line and abolish squads that have more than 10 guys while I have his attention.

This IS HTC's world and I am thankful to have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case

We can all share the game, throwing around wild accusations make you look foolish and brings the game-play/fair-play potential a bit lower.

[grizz441]

'whack-a-mole' gameplay

That really is the perfect analogy to describe the NOE strategy that had taken over the MAs.

[1Boner]

That really is the perfect analogy to describe the NOE strategy that had taken over the MAs.

It really can describe ALOT of different aspects of gameplay.

Some are actually more prevelant and distracting than noes.

You're right--a perfect analogy!

[lulu]

I Did not read Ghost post until today!

I told my opinion about new settings looking for a better solution.

I wrote about it in other post too.

I take care about only possibles eventually more positive solutions (how many times i must wrote this!?).
For example:

"That said (and it still amazes me), I am starting to agree with some of the radar whines. Imho, HTC should raise the minimum altitude to just under 100 feet but disable auto level below 150 feet." (By Delirium)

For the rest I will sing gently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGm_xoYcmI

But as not really I did it  

 


P.S.

From your answers, my English not seems so not understandable.
Not sure. If truly not I also will take care to have a nice journey in that village (listen the video it's easy).

[Dadsguns]

The last thing in the world the NOE crowd wants is a fight. I can't count the times I've seen a NOE mission busted and everyone killed that they just gave up. No coming back with alt, or bombers or fighters...just nothing. 15 mintues later they'd pop up at another undefended base clean on the other side of the map!

And this is OK.  It doesn't affect you and the way you play.  I started off as well as many with NOE missions, they were fun, still are and I agree that there is a place for them.  However if someone wants to do NOE's all day and all night, that's on them.  But for some of you to whine about them because you chose not to defend against them, and use the "it doesn't promote a fight" excuse is lame.  Rather for the most part we can find some of you hiding in a horde yourselves that look for the easy kills vulching, hording, anything but a real 1 on 1 fight, so a horde NOE and a horde at Alt is different how other than the obvious?  Its still a horde, it sux to defend against, someone will have the advantage in either case.  
Taking a base at alt with overwhelming numbers is not overkill?  Happens all day.

Look at yesterdays map, not one person on the bish was complaining about being horded by both rook and knit, two big fights on the whole map, rooks and bish, knits and bish.  Outnumbered on both sides but had some really good fights.  
Yet both rook and knit were running NOE's against bish undefended bases while we were outnumbered that got busted and was fun busting them.  Is that lame too, or is it just when Bish does that?  Dont be afraid to up and defend it and beat them back, they get tired of getting smashed too.  When I get tired of clubbing seals, I go and find 1 on 1 fights, or single cons that are looking for the same, a good fight.

If you cant find a fight, thats your problem and not anyone elses.  Try not to be so timid, or stop worrying about your score, thats a start.   I have read some of these post where for some of you to even say you cant find a fight because of NOEs simply amazes me that you can make that statement with a straight face and think that its believable.  Either your looking in the wrong place, or not looking at all, or what I suspect just making it up for an excuse to make someone play the way you think they should.  

I agree with the OP, your argument holds no water.

Kisses....

well said vulgar!

The dilemma HTC has (and it is not new) is the following:

1.  Many subscribers like to "accomplish" certain goals when they play a game....in this case taking a base in a manner that ensures success...
2.  HTC and imho a very vocal minority deplore this type of gameplay and would prefer that most subscribers engage in aerial combat...with basetaking as a backdrop
3.  While most of the subscribers who enjoy base-taking as a FOCUS of their fun experience could care less if they ever encounter the "vocal minority"...the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear).  Specifically NOE raids.  Of interest is that there are never strong complaints about other forms of gameplay that "avoid combat" such as strat bombing...high alt buff missions...camping spawn points....dropping hangers at vh bases...sneaking a cv into range and dropping town then rolling lvts to take a base..."picking" in jets...  etc etc

You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support  (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA)  You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there....most of the peeps in a MA are involved in base v base action.  Large squads are in general "base taking" squads etc.  The ignored point here is that the REASON for making such abrupt changes is because SUCH A LARGE number of folks like basetaking via NOEs.  If they didnt then they could never get the "horde" numbers in missions to run them.   So if such a large number of subscribers ENJOY this why would you purposefully upset them by changing the "rules"???  That is what is beyond me...the people you are upsetting here are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and become furballers...they have that option now and CHOOSE not to do so. 

This IS HTC's world and I am thankful to have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case

Very well said.  Maybe because they dont know where else to go.  They have every other arena to go to for strictly Ariel combat but the MA has to change because they want it, whats next, the MA being a ghost town too like all the other arenas that supposed to be used for strictly Ariel combat?

[AWwrgwy]

Very well said.  Maybe because they dont know where else to go.  They have every other arena to go to for strictly Ariel combat but the MA has to change because they want it, whats next, the MA being a ghost town too like all the other arenas that supposed to be used for strictly Ariel combat?

But why bother playing a MMOG at all if you want to avoid the opposition and sneak around?  May as well stick with the console box.


wrongway

[FA_Refugee]

sigh....I just read this thread from beginning to end and was on the fence the whole way until the last few posts.  It seems the masses liked it the way it was before the radar modification.  I agree with the NOE'ers.
My 2cents   

[WMLute]

sigh....I just read this thread from beginning to end and was on the fence the whole way until the last few posts.  It seems the masses liked it the way it was before the radar modification.  I agree with the NOE'ers.
My 2cents  

Bear in mind that the players that have eloquently posted "pro" NOE hoard now rarely do them.
(just a few years back that was pretty much ALL they did)

What exactly that means I will let others discuss but there IS a natural progression in this game.

[FALCONWING]

I have never talked to Hitech on the phone, I've never gone to a Convention, the closest I've ever gotten to him is escorting Santa on Christmas Eve. With all due respect, you're absolutely paranoid! A blind/deaf man could see the 'whack-a-mole' gameplay that has been going on.

If HTC doesn't have any interaction with those designated as his trainers then color me confused.    How did you become a trainer in the first place?  Ghosth makes it clear that trainers are supposed to be afforded a different level of respect then us peons.  I am sure he would be "taking his gloves off" if i called you paranoid or suggested your point of view made you less astute then a blind/deaf man.  Also you ALL seem lockstep with his direction...this has been reinforced over the years despite what direction the game has turned....coincidence i guess....

The few times I've seen a true FT area on the map, its either; captured by one country completely, its a vulch fest, its loaded with low level flaks, or the fights are higher there than the rest of the map. Hitech can't force good game-play, nor does this community enforce itself.  

Holy overgeneralizations Batman....every fitertown is captured?????  The toolshedders are flying higher there then the rest of the map???  Dude I can't even have this discussion with you...your so far off base...and don't forget how we ruined ww1/ew/mw/ava/da

Maybe I should call Hitech on his private 'red-phone' line and abolish squads that have more than 10 guys while I have his attention.

Thank you for the irony of making a comment that reflects the accuracy of my previous statement that YOU are AMONGST the vocal minority who actually have nothing better to do then monitor folks like me. In the other thread Lute gives BoPs credit for perfecting NOEs.  Now i couldnt even tell you how many Lute or you have in your squads.....I dont even know what squad you are in.  In fact I never see you in the game...yet somehow you can make a statement as a veiled threat about my squad.  

We can all share the game, throwing around wild accusations make you look foolish and brings the game-play/fair-play potential a bit lower.

What wild accusations???  You manage to make my point without me going to the archives to dig up all the times you and others have referenced me or my squad as "a problem" within the game....how does my enjoyment of the game have ANYTHING to do with you....folks like you are incidental to me...useless...except that you choose to respond to me when i don't even bother to  engage you in conversation....feelfree to set me on ignore...it is definitely how i handle encountering your posts