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Offline Tec

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Re: Fishing
« Reply #540 on: July 22, 2011, 09:08:35 AM »
The thing about follows is it's not that the bait is moving so fast that the fish cant catch up to it, it's just the fish deciding whether it wants to eat or not.  You would have to be seriously burning it for it to be so fast the fish cant overtake it.  Most of the time you could get away without a leader especially with the magnum sized bucktails and crankbaits guys chuck these days.  With smaller lures IMO it becomes more important, musky will T-bone lures and if he catches the head of the bait, or the bait is small enough that it gets totally engulfed either from the side or behind you could be in trouble.  You have teeth, treble hooks, and in some cases you're banging off structure or across a rocky bottom that can all damage your line.  When you're talking about losing lures that on average start around 20 bucks a piece, or possibly losing the fish of a lifetime why not take a little extra insurance as long as the fish don't mind?  Look at how much junk this guy is dragging, and these fish are still coming in hot.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYnLc0ETA2Q  Clear water and negative fish might be a no go for leaders, but most of the time I believe it's a non issue.
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #541 on: July 22, 2011, 09:45:14 AM »
Quote from: fbWldcat on July 22, 2011, 01:05:56 AM
Braid is much closer to the actual breaking point listed because it isn't as stretchy.
The Fireline takes away this variable somewhat.

Fireline is very expensive, though ($17 for a regular spool of CRYSTAL[lo-vis]).

If it were me, I'd use a very good quality mono. Spiderwire is all I use (when I don't use Fireline).

My friends go fishing as much as I do, and they swear to the Sufix brand and Cajun Line brands.

Berkley (aside from the Fireline), Stren and Trilene are all cheaper for a reason.
I use Sufix saltwater fishing, stuff is great!!
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #542 on: July 22, 2011, 02:32:56 PM »
Quote from: Tec on July 22, 2011, 09:08:35 AM
The thing about follows is it's not that the bait is moving so fast that the fish cant catch up to it, it's just the fish deciding whether it wants to eat or not.  You would have to be seriously burning it for it to be so fast the fish cant overtake it.  Most of the time you could get away without a leader especially with the magnum sized bucktails and crankbaits guys chuck these days.  With smaller lures IMO it becomes more important, musky will T-bone lures and if he catches the head of the bait, or the bait is small enough that it gets totally engulfed either from the side or behind you could be in trouble.  You have teeth, treble hooks, and in some cases you're banging off structure or across a rocky bottom that can all damage your line.  When you're talking about losing lures that on average start around 20 bucks a piece, or possibly losing the fish of a lifetime why not take a little extra insurance as long as the fish don't mind?  Look at how much junk this guy is dragging, and these fish are still coming in hot.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYnLc0ETA2Q  Clear water and negative fish might be a no go for leaders, but most of the time I believe it's a non issue.


  Pretty much covers my thoughts on leader/no leader,mind you I tend to make my lures so cost isnt really a factor but loosing that fish of a lifetime sure can be.

  But to put things into prospective,I tend to fish with very light lines,well I should say leaders as most my fishing is done with a flyrod.For pike or muskie I just cut down a 9ft leader to about 3 or 4 ft and add a tippet,usually I use 20lb mono for a tippet.I find if a fish cuts the line it's usually the smaller ones,they must have sharper teeth or there's less space between them,whatever it is they seem to be the most trouble.



   
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #543 on: July 22, 2011, 02:35:29 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on July 22, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
I use Sufix salt......water fishing, stuff is great!!



Fixed,  Appologies, for some reason the site doesnt like the word Salt/Water
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #544 on: July 22, 2011, 09:38:45 PM »
Quote from: Tec on July 22, 2011, 05:35:48 AM
You think a fish that will follow right up to boat side and then go around and around in circles with the rod tip in the water 2 feet in front of it and someone standing on top of it moving around is concerned about braid or a leader? lol.  Musky have the worst target fixation out of any fish I've ever seen.  Maybe it's because they're so mean they don't care, or maybe they're just that stupid...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhSqtbu_24M (bit of adult language in there so ninnys don't click).

Yes. Although it is true that muskie and other fish of the pike family have very bad "target fixation," it is not so bad to the point where they will eat anything anytime, any day. If a fish is hungry enough, it'll take bait on 365lb catfish braid, but a more natural presentation and that includes without a visible line, is invaluable. I never said you couldn't catch muskie with a steel leader, I just say it is kinda pointless. It throws off the action of the lure and pretty much takes away any possibility of catching something besides a muskie (a Largemouth or Walleye are always fun to hook up on accident). Here in KY, Muskie get very sluggish in the summer, so a natural presentation is, as always, key.
Huge muskie lures are pointless and expensive. You can catch as many, if not more muskie from regular bass lures.
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #545 on: September 20, 2011, 11:43:56 AM »
Cool pic's mbailey those ray's are a lot of fun to catch . I Don't see how they can stick to the bottom like they do and have to wait for him to turn lose to get him in . FUN FUN !!!!
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #546 on: September 20, 2011, 11:47:43 AM »
Quote from: Flench on September 20, 2011, 11:43:56 AM
Cool pic's mbailey those ray's are a lot of fun to catch . I Don't see how they can stick to the bottom like they do and have to wait for him to turn lose to get him in . FUN FUN !!!!

They bury themselves in sand........

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Re: Fishing
« Reply #547 on: September 20, 2011, 11:53:01 AM »
Yeah I know you sure can't buge them when they do .
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #548 on: September 20, 2011, 02:03:27 PM »
Flounder do the same............
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #549 on: September 20, 2011, 03:43:09 PM »
Quote from: Shuffler on September 20, 2011, 11:47:43 AM
They bury themselves in sand........

(Image removed from quote.)

We caught one of those on one of our Kingfish rigs (dont mind the date on the pic,never did set the date on the camera, where we fish, you would not be in shorts and bare feet in February  :lol)

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Re: Fishing
« Reply #550 on: September 20, 2011, 07:11:44 PM »
Nice , what you using for bait ? Shrimp ?
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Offline mbailey

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Re: Fishing
« Reply #551 on: September 20, 2011, 07:23:10 PM »
Usually for Kingfish, its Bloodworms and clams, looks like thats a clam showing in the photo, so it would have taken the bloodworm.  Kingfish rigs are 2 hooks, 2 small floats we usually bait the hooks with a different bait on each hook (gives them a choice ) and works well, we did pretty good on kingfish this year.

Side note......if your fishing with bloodworms, watch out they bite and it hurts like heck. Like a bee sting x 10
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #552 on: September 21, 2011, 04:15:07 AM »
Never used bloodworm's before . We all way's used cigar bait for king fish .
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Re: Fishing
« Reply #553 on: September 24, 2011, 12:30:22 PM »
The app thread here on the bbs reminded me to post this here. App i found online for the ipod touch, I think its also available for Droid etc....its a blast



 For all you gents that cant get away to the pond, lake,river or ocean due to wife, girlfriend,boss or parent ack!!!

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ipod touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdn4tkETmPc

Droid
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Flick Fishing  :D :aok  Enjoy!



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Re: Fishing
« Reply #554 on: December 11, 2011, 07:52:48 AM »
Maj. Bump, reporting for duty!
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Quote from: Shuffler on April 07, 2011, 10:37:33 AM
Landing is overrated.
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