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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #405 on: October 14, 2010, 10:57:53 AM »
All your problems sound like they come from both lack of skill and lack of a firm handle on what the game is about.

The tank right below the tiger is widely considered one of the best tanks in the game. That tank the 3601 is huge improvement over the nearly hopeless panzer IV..

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The PZIV has roughly a 5-6/1 damage to points ratio with the ability to consistency pull 20,000 pt sorties (non premium) even in defeat (if the map breaks your way). The 3601 has significantly more problems in scoring since the 88mm
forces you to close with the big boys and the tank overall is less nimble. My H crew is performing much better in the tiger then it ever did in the 3601. The simple reality is that the H is about the equivalent of a 50 gun frigate. It loses a bit no much mobility and lacks the ability to really take its place in the "line of battle". I got into a slugfest with a ferdinand, JS-4 and Jagdtiger in my tiger earlier. got multiple hits on all and helped my 2 "heavies" more then a bit. At the end of the day we all went down but got 2 of the 3 plus a couple of others...got 3/1 vs my damages and 500+ even in a defeat....3601 was a one and done there vs that type of armor. From your tone I'm guessing your a 12 year old in a tier 9 tank thinking "skill" has anything to do with heavies vs mid tier tanks. The PzIV is a true medium tank that can function well even in the game as modeled. The 3601 is a tweener with very marginal value compared to the tank above and below it...end of story.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #406 on: October 14, 2010, 10:58:36 AM »


Also tried the tank bracket but kept getting demolished by heavies. I agree that they should work out some balancing issues...impossible to compete in some brackets.

All tanks are competitive. Not all the tanks in game are intended to be giant killers. The lower tier tanks make good scout killers and scouts. Flying around in a pzIII is a blast, and it's very satisfying to work your way to the enemy rear and blast their arty. Slogging it out with larger tanks is not the role it's suited for nor is it the best way to help your team. No bracket is "impossible to compete"

If you are at the end game and largley outclassed, it just means your team got outplayed...kind of like being in a chess game and you may have just a knight left against a queen and a couple of rooks. You're outclassed but simply got outplayed
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #407 on: October 14, 2010, 11:08:41 AM »
I only use auto aim when i see a guy moving across a open field and I'm not worried about giving myself away, or someone playing peekaboo from behind objects. besides that it's garbage and not very accurate even with a 100% crew.

When the game goes live i think we will see the end of the small guys matched up with heavies. although using a Hetzer to kill a JadgTiger will be missed.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #408 on: October 14, 2010, 11:17:42 AM »
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 The 3601 is a tweener with very marginal value compared to the tank above and below it...end of story.

A fully upgraded 3601 will completely dominate a fully upgraded pzIV. The problem with your thinking in the line of battle thing is that  in the pzIV, you will be ignored for the most part as a threat until others are dealt with. In the 3601, you have the potential to do real harm against larger heavies so you will be readily targeted as opportunity permits. As with all meds, the 3601 is a shoot and scoot tank, and has no business being  in the line of battle.
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« Reply #409 on: October 14, 2010, 11:40:44 AM »
Steve, you helped me improve when I first started.  I thank you for that.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #410 on: October 14, 2010, 11:46:18 AM »
im honesly looking foreward to the next wipe, gonna get me a 4502  :devil
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #411 on: October 14, 2010, 11:57:52 AM »
By who?

The PZIV has roughly a 5-6/1 damage to points ratio with the ability to consistency pull 20,000 pt sorties (non premium) even in defeat (if the map breaks your way). The 3601 has significantly more problems in scoring since the 88mm
forces you to close with the big boys and the tank overall is less nimble. My H crew is performing much better in the tiger then it ever did in the 3601. The simple reality is that the H is about the equivalent of a 50 gun frigate. It loses a bit no much mobility and lacks the ability to really take its place in the "line of battle". I got into a slugfest with a ferdinand, JS-4 and Jagdtiger in my tiger earlier. got multiple hits on all and helped my 2 "heavies" more then a bit. At the end of the day we all went down but got 2 of the 3 plus a couple of others...got 3/1 vs my damages and 500+ even in a defeat....3601 was a one and done there vs that type of armor. From your tone I'm guessing your a 12 year old in a tier 9 tank thinking "skill" has anything to do with heavies vs mid tier tanks. The PzIV is a true medium tank that can function well even in the game as modeled. The 3601 is a tweener with very marginal value compared to the tank above and below it...end of story.

Go try reading their forums. It's a very popular tank. Widely considered one of the best money makers in the game. If you fail with it, well then you just fail in general. 

THe Panzer IV is bar none one of the worst tanks in the game. A good player in a Panzer III will eat them alive every time.

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #412 on: October 14, 2010, 12:03:05 PM »
Well other than a fairly nice damage model the game lacks anything else that interests me. I deleted it off my computer.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #413 on: October 14, 2010, 12:03:56 PM »
The 3601H maxed out is an excellent tank, provided you use it properly. It is a medium tank that has nearly the armor of a Tiger, and has the short barrel 88. It's fairly quick, and agile. That 88, used correctly, hits most tanks hard. I have one, maxed out. I also have a PzIV maxed out. The 3601H is a better tank, but it draws more attention because it is more feared. The PzIV for me actually has the best performance percentages of all of my tanks, probably because I use it better than the 3601H or the Tiger II. If I used the 3601H more like I use the PzIV, it would easily meet or exceed the performance standard set by the PzIV.

I only bought the PzIV in order to grind to a Hummel. I was surprised by the fact that the PzIV gained credits and experience so rapidly that I was able to max it out and get the Hummel very quickly. I had intended to sell the PzIV as soon as I bought the Hummel. It's staying in my garage, it's a keeper.

If you can't do at least fairly well with a 3601H or a PzIV, you're playing it very poorly. Even I can do fairly well with either, and I'm a horrible player.

The first thing you need to do when you purchase a new vehicle is spend the 20K credits per crew member to move to the 75% training level. The gain is obvious, they will do everything better, and once they get to 75% they perform enough better that they progress rapidly from there on. I often spend the 200 gold to get the commander to 100%, because the crew works better under the 100% commander, and gains their experience faster as well.

When you purchase a new vehicle, you need to have around 200K or so credits, at least, to spare. I prefer to have 300K or better. I'll spend up to 120K to train the crew, and then I'll get every upgrade that may be already researched.

There are tanks in the trees that are only purchased because you have to move past them to get to a good tank or other vehicle.

Avoid auto aim. If you do not know already, auto aim will aim for the center of the plan form presented to your sight. If you are looking at the front, it aims at the thickest possible armor on the tank, usually where there is plenty of slope. A complete waste of a shot unless you're shooting a long 88 at either an artillery piece, a light tank, or a light medium. If you're looking at the side, it'll aim for the base of the turret. Again, unless you're over matched on him, it's likely to be a complete waste. If he's peeking out from behind an obstacle, you'll hit the obstacle. Again, a complete waste. If you're looking at the rear, it will often shoot the base of the turret instead of the engine, another wasted shot.

If you're playing an artillery piece, even if all you do is track the enemy, not only are you racking up damage credits, you're immobilizing him for your team mates. With a decent shot, any artillery piece can score a one shot kill on any other artillery piece. And your first job as an artillery piece is "counter battery". Find their artillery and kill it. It keeps them from killing you or your team mates, and once you do that, so long as your team mates do their job and keep the scouts away, you can wreak havoc on the opposing team. I don't even want the big gun for the Hummel. It's too slow to load and too expensive to shoot.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #414 on: October 14, 2010, 12:18:44 PM »
A fully upgraded 3601 will completely dominate a fully upgraded pzIV. The problem with your thinking in the line of battle thing is that  in the pzIV, you will be ignored for the most part as a threat until others are dealt with. In the 3601, you have the potential to do real harm against larger heavies so you will be readily targeted as opportunity permits. As with all meds, the 3601 is a shoot and scoot tank, and has no business being  in the line of battle.

Steve no question that one on one the 3601 owns the IV hands down. The 3601 (again my opinion) doesn't "scoot" and has less "stand off" capability then the IV does. The IV is much more easily "one timed" but the 3601 is only marginally survivable and often in a very compromised condition. I agree entirely on the HE part but see it as marginally applicable. You need to close considerably to get to the point you can circle. Hard to do vs an unoccupied heavy. I've gone from the drive up point blank and pop em in the butt to circling already vs heavies but map often makes it impractical and a good arty guy will pop you quick even if he's risking a few damage points to his own guy.

A agree fully on the lighter tanks. PzIII/leapord have a place on every battle field. As for auto aim, with a 98% gunner I think its good at long range and use it vs arty in the scouts. Aim manually for HE or peek a boo...

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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #415 on: October 14, 2010, 12:22:56 PM »
im honesly looking foreward to the next wipe, gonna get me a 4502  :devil

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« Reply #416 on: October 14, 2010, 12:27:09 PM »
I find it archaic for a game to use only a KB and mouse.

Virtually almost every FPS and 3rd person PC shooter game's main control scheme is mouse+keyboard.  For these types of games you can't get a more accurate control scheme than a mouse and keyboard.

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« Reply #417 on: October 14, 2010, 12:47:00 PM »
Steve no question that one on one the 3601 owns the IV hands down. The 3601 (again my opinion) doesn't "scoot" and has less "stand off" capability then the IV does. The IV is much more easily "one timed" but the 3601 is only marginally survivable and often in a very compromised condition. I agree entirely on the HE part but see it as marginally applicable. You need to close considerably to get to the point you can circle. Hard to do vs an unoccupied heavy. I've gone from the drive up point blank and pop em in the butt to circling already vs heavies but map often makes it impractical and a good arty guy will pop you quick even if he's risking a few damage points to his own guy.

A agree fully on the lighter tanks. PzIII/leapord have a place on every battle field. As for auto aim, with a 98% gunner I think its good at long range and use it vs arty in the scouts. Aim manually for HE or peek a boo...

I don't understand why you're having trouble doing damage with the 88 on the 3601H when sniping. Compared to the 75 on my PzIV, the 88 on the 3601H does well sniping at a distance.

Stop trying to kill heavies with mediums, unless you're either forced to, or there are a couple of you in mediums working a heavy. Hit and run.

Now, if you have a Russian medium, yes, you can circle a heavy easily, the German mediums are not really fast enough nor are they agile enough.

Snipe at heavies with your German medium, hit them a couple of times and get out. The only way to circle and kill a heavy in a German medium is to make sure you keep him tracked with every second or third shot.

I don't even get in a slugging match with my Tiger II, unless I'm forced to, or I'm fighting something that just can't hurt me without a one in million shot.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #418 on: October 14, 2010, 01:00:05 PM »


A agree fully on the lighter tanks. PzIII/leapord have a place on every battle field. As for auto aim, with a 98% gunner I think its good at long range

Ya, I use autoaim at long distances if the whole takn is visible.
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Re: World of Tanks
« Reply #419 on: October 14, 2010, 01:05:01 PM »
The only way to circle and kill a heavy in a German medium is to make sure you keep him tracked with every second or third shot.


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