Beating a dead horse

[Creamo]

The fact of the matter is though, is that the n1k here is so easy(not even challenging to fly) that almost anyone can get in it and shoot almost anything down.

Wow, really? I never thought of it that way.

You make a great argument.

[Geeb]

raises hand i never got a kill in niki but... been killed the 3 times i flown it

[Karnak]

Originally posted by DeeZCamp:
hehe For all the Spit/n1k flyers that complain or to better term it... Speak on behalf of how much they like to fly what they like to fly... and that the aircraft they choose Just happens to be a Spit/n1k.

I say YOU FLY an easy mode plane  Im not being some elitist dork, but Id rather fly somehthing that takes more then just yank bank and requires just a bit more pilot intervetion to win.

Actually, yes, you are being an elitist snob.

You are insulting eveyone who happens to like those aircraft.

You think the Zero is an easymode aircraft?  Go try a tour in one.  Its one of the most frusterating aircraft in the game now.  Everybody simply runs from you.  Sure, some people will turn with you, but most of the time you spend frantically trying to close to gun range.  800, 750, 710, 675, 650, 640, 635, 640, 680, 800, 950, 1.1, 1.3 and so on and so on.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen number sequences like that in the icon range on enemy aircraft when I fly the Zero.  I hope you never lose your SA, because as soon as you do some faster plane will come screaming in and kill you.

The best part of the experience for you would be in the fact that the Zero eats N1K2-Js for lunch.  Most N1K2 pilots will try to turn with you, then you simply kill them.

Personally, from my perspective, it is far easier to fly things like the P-51D, La-7 and Fw190D-9 and survive than it is to do so in the Spitfire, Zero and even the N1K2.

Unlike some people who post on this board, I fly all aircraft.  I fly some more than others, but I fly them all.  There is no wonder plane that massively defies gravity or accelerates like an Su-27.  The are errors here and there, but nothing like what you guys are accusing the N1K2 of having.

I happen to be a fan of RAF and IJN aircraft, I have been for a long time.  Particularly of the Spitfire and Zero-Sen.  I have recently taken a liking to the Mosquito FB.VI as well and I hope it is added soon.

Everything that AKDejaVu has said about this thread is absolutely true.

You guys have decided to rant on an entire section of the community and everybody who enjoys that style of flying.  This thread is basically an insult to those of use that enjoy a good twisting and turning dogfight.

[Urchin]

Karnak- I didn't intend on the thread to take the direction it has taken.  I fly the 109f4 probably about 20% of the time I'm on, and I fly the 190A8 as well- neither is fast enough to be a proper "runaway" plane, nor turny enough to be a turnfighter.  I've also been flying the Ki61 in the past couple days- I like the firepower of it, but it is somewhat lacking in the speed department ;-).

Anyways, I guess what I want to say is I have no problem with folks that fly spits, zeros, or even really the Niki.  If you like to turn and burn, thats great- I do more than my share of it in the 109F4.  I really only have a problem with the Niki because I can't fight em to save my life, and they are so common as to make it tough for me to get into a fight on some days.  Hell, I won't even TRY to fight a niki one on one in most situations- the exception is being an obvious bounce, although I am going to try to shy away from it now.  Anyways, I want to bounce this off you guys and see what I did wrong.

I was flying the Ki-61, had just killed an La7 and a spit in it, so I was feeling pretty cocky.  I was around 8k or so, and I see a Niki at around 2k, maybe d5 or so away.  I flew over there, made a pass from the hi 6, he pulled around in a 360 so I just zoomed back up again.  I pulled over in a loop, I was above and the distance said D2.3 (or something close), so I went back down.  It looked to me like me pulled up to meet me when we were about d2.0 away (I was d2.0 above him.. which is how far in feet?  Is that 2k feet or 2k yards?)  He was still coming up as I went for the shot, he ended up shooting off one wing and my engine, not sure if I got any hits on him or not.  I think he started shooting about d600, which is pretty normal in a HO situation.  Anyways, what'd I do wrong here?  I underestimate his speed or something?  I figured that he had been low, and climbing, so maybe speed 200 would be about right, and he had prolly dove slightly as I came down to bounce him.  So maybe speed 300 or so, and altitude prolly 1500 ( I wasnt looking all that closely at the gauges, but I dove from about 7k and was going 475 or so when I passed him).  He then pulled around in a 360, which I would guess would drain off some speed (75 mph or so?), and levelled off,then about 15 seconds later pulled up to meet me coming down.  I'm sorry I didn't film it, I didn't think to.

[Creamo]

I was d2.0 above him.. which is how far in feet? Is that 2k feet or 2k yards?

I can see by your expert observations in fact there is a problem here.

Geez guys, don't be so easy to flog here, it's getting to be silly.

[SELECTOR]

I personaly don't fly the N1K cos almost eveyone moans about them, so they have got a kind of stigma atached to them.Personaly i don't care much for them cos the don't really present much of a challenge to fly, but i dont want to see them perked cos which plane would be nexed.
I have never piloted a real plane so i dont know how acurate the flight model is, but why not just make it a little more dificult to fly  

[Urchin]

Actually Creamo- I just asked a question.  I had assumed that the distances in the game were in meters, or yards- both of which are around 3 feet per unit.  If the distances are in FEET, that a whole different ballgame as far as I'm concerned.  Being 2000 FEET above someone is nothing, being 2000 METERS above someone is quite a lot of height.

[Creamo]

Um, that's my point.

Im I the only one here getting this? lol

[Urchin]

Well, I'm honestly not getting it, so I guess you are the only one.  If you know what the unit of measurement is, why not just tell me?  It would probably me more helpful in the long run- although if you don't care about it you can continue your laughable "floggings".

[Hooligan]

Yards.

Hooligan

[Wotan]

Not to drag this thread up again but at the time of this post  I am 21 and 6 vrs nikis and all i fly is lw............  

dunno what the problem is .............

I had no particular prob with chogs accept their blue and ugly and every darn body was flyin um

I've seen Urchin fly and he has cleared my 6 numerous times and I find it hard to believe he isn't dropping um twice as much as i am..........

ps i have been flyin the zero but as jabo only .............. hell us lw guys need a carrier plane 109t maybe............  

well my 2 cents....................

   

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[ 07-16-2001: Message edited by: Wotan ]

[DanielMcIntyre]

hmmm, my 2 cents worth  

I have no probs with spits, yaks, la7's etc at all because they seem to be fairly closely modeled in relation to actual performance in RL except for at higher alts.  At higher alts in AH, planes speeds and turn rates vary greatly from RL.  example - P38 = P51 25k RL, AH Not!!  

I have a problem with N1K because imo it is not modeled correctly, this ruins both my online playing time n also the RL N1K as well.  

The reason I ASSUME this is because its weight to power ratio and its level speed, full power at optimum alt physically should prevent it from performing the way it does in AH.  Unless there is some kinda of secret Japanese device which allows it to defy the laws of physics. Do the math n you'll see.

Another thing about N1K is there were only 428 models built, of these 428 some were trainers, some experimental / RnD and some carrier based with obviously reduced performance.  Small amount produced a result of American raids on AC factories in Japan.  

If i'm wrong and N1K did perform as it does in AH, I believe it still should be perked due to the rarity of it in the PAC.


N1K2-J stats
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Span: 11.97m
Length: 9.35m
Height: 3.96m
Wing Area: 23.5m2
Weight: normal 4000kg
Powerplant: 1990hp Radial
Performance: 369Mph at 18373ft
Production: 428 (all types)

compare above to this:

F6F-5 Hellcat stats
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Span: 13.06m
Length: 10.24m
Height: 3.99m
Wing Area: 31.03m2
Weight: 6991kg normal
Powerplant: 2000hp Radial
Performance: 380mph at 23,400ft
Production: 7870

now why then did the N1k2 I was flying yesterday coalt turn around 360 deg on hellcat out accelerate it and finally catch it in level flight before killing it with 1 ping?  Because the N1K lost virtually no E during the turn, thats why N1K is so good, not because its fast, but because it does not realistically lose E during turns. Slower N1K still turns well as it did in RL but AH N1K seems to hold E so well, it almost always is closer to MST rate and thats why initially when you turn against N1K you seem to be getting a bead on him n then wow, he outturns you and faloop you die.

my opinion only, you may have another n thats fine with me  

 

[Trell]

I would not go looking at how many were produced. i would look at how is flyies in the game.
if we start looking at production were do we draw the line 200? 400? 1000?
i am not a ww2 nut but i seem to recall the 190d9  there were only around 1000 made.
thats only twice the nik.

btw i dont really fly the nik. abd i think there is somethign wierd about it. but i dont think it is really to deadly.  i have a hard time in it but then i dont like slow planes

[DanielMcIntyre]

Ok, check this out:

Tonight was flying C-Hog, dove on N1K (gunman26), was prolly 1.5kd on his 6 when he spots me, he does a loop, I do split S, faloop faloop I die?

My initial E was greater, was closing on N1K, N1K goes up n over the top, while I go down and under, soon as I level ded.

How the hell does a slower plane pull a full loop and then catch a faster plane with more initial E after Split-S?

I tape it if you do'nt believe me.

[Jase]

I agree with DMF.  Niki's are no match for a spitV 1 on 1.  I don't fly the plane simply because it doesn't seem to wingover anywhere close to a spitV.  The guns are what makes it a killer.  If they could just load those 4 cannons on to a V now.  Ummmm