NOT FUN ANY MORE!!!

[FALCONWING]

IF you are happy with the gameplay then you are fortunate....I am not having fun or experiencing any desire to play the game.  There is absolutely no point to the game anymore...there is no drama....there is no need to log on to accomplish something.....

Grizz you actually understand it....many folks really want a goal or story as part of their gameplay...so many guys have no concept of this...but THIS is why this community has never grown as it should have while about any other ww2 game explodes when it hits the stores...its sad really...

I can have an identical experience any day of the week....

1. log in
2. decide to horde
3. decide to fight a horde
4. leave within an hour of logging...often within 15 minutes
5. Play AION which is freaking awesome and has ability for PvP or PvE with rewards for anything you do!
6. Promise myself to play AH2 tomorrow...

Call it burnout or whatever you wish...I have been an addict since 1997...I used to have the game at work and play it during lunch etc...i would rush home and play until 2 am every night....the latest changes have slowly sapped any desire or NEED to play away...the maps dont change and noone REALLY needs assistance anymore...the town changes have made it close to impossible to take a base so even defending has become somewhat optional....

For now I am rushing home to level up my Ranger (Falconwing) in AION and have already logged into the website 4 times today to check status of broker etc...my legion uses ventrillo so i can experience the same chitchat as here (loads more girls though  )  I am lacking sleep and my family is beginning to wonder where I am...i guess that means i am having fun... I am sorry that I'm not havign fun in AH anymore here...I really wish i was...and by the numbers, I would guess that I am not the only one .....

[crazyivan]

Too true and very valid.  This would be a great game change and effective...bomber barons can still choose their own alt inbound to the target.  I give this idea a 9 for realism although the creativity has already been used......IN WW II! lmao...do this

V/r

Changeup

Boo, I enjoy killing lancstukas over bases in my ostiwind! Seroiusly, I like the idea and it could help out with the lancstukaing of cvs!

<cough> gonna need my me-410!

[grizz441]

In the interest of 'winning the war'.

Put it back the way it was when the base takers could do it so easily.  Change the radar back, make the towns easier to knock out.  Give them what they want so they stop whining.

I'd only would like a little in return.

Front line bases only hold fighters.  You want to bomb with mediums, you are stuck at the fields further behind the front line.  You want 4 engine bombers, you have to come from far away.

Folks keep wanting to call this a war.  Well they didn't launch 4 engine bombers from the front line bases.  Those were usually fields with PSP for runways.  4 engine birds didn't go from that close.  They needed longer, more established bases to support them.  Mediums weren't much better in terms of needing longer runways and more support.  You want to do it quick then you are coming with fighter bombers.  No more NOE Lancs unless you've got guys willing to fly them for a lot longer. Guess what.  I see the dar bar start to form from the bases where the Heavies have to launch from.  Chances are good that I'll round up some fighters to be up their waiting for you.  Guess you better get some escorts.  Damn!  All of a sudden we've got a fight up high with a purpose.  Dar bar starts to grow behind the lines.  Hmmm could be the mediums are up and something is brewing on that part of the front.  Again, you want to NOE, so be it, but if it's going to be bombers, it's gonna take time.

If you want to take a base it takes boots on the ground, not just paratroops.  Can't think of an instance where a town was taken by paratroops that didn't need ground troops to link up for them to hold.   Make it include a ground war to move the front, not just a pounded flat town and a stick of paratroopers.

I saw some comment in one of the above posts about tool shedding an base taking being what the MA is about with any combat being just a bonus.

What a load of crap.  Which war was that where there was no combat?

You can't claim this is a 'war' without fighting one.  That means combat. 

Not sure about all of that but I think we are in agreement that the game needs more strategic focus.  Furballing is fun for a lot of people but you need something to tie it all together.

[Dadsguns]

In the interest of 'winning the war'.

Put it back the way it was when the base takers could do it so easily.  Change the radar back, make the towns easier to knock out.  Give them what they want so they stop whining.

I'd only would like a little in return.

Front line bases only hold fighters.  You want to bomb with mediums, you are stuck at the fields further behind the front line.  You want 4 engine bombers, you have to come from far away.

Folks keep wanting to call this a war.  Well they didn't launch 4 engine bombers from the front line bases.  Those were usually fields with PSP for runways.  4 engine birds didn't go from that close.  They needed longer, more established bases to support them.  Mediums weren't much better in terms of needing longer runways and more support.  You want to do it quick then you are coming with fighter bombers.  No more NOE Lancs unless you've got guys willing to fly them for a lot longer. Guess what.  I see the dar bar start to form from the bases where the Heavies have to launch from.  Chances are good that I'll round up some fighters to be up their waiting for you.  Guess you better get some escorts.  Damn!  All of a sudden we've got a fight up high with a purpose.  Dar bar starts to grow behind the lines.  Hmmm could be the mediums are up and something is brewing on that part of the front.  Again, you want to NOE, so be it, but if it's going to be bombers, it's gonna take time.

If you want to take a base it takes boots on the ground, not just paratroops.  Can't think of an instance where a town was taken by paratroops that didn't need ground troops to link up for them to hold.   Make it include a ground war to move the front, not just a pounded flat town and a stick of paratroopers.

I saw some comment in one of the above posts about tool shedding an base taking being what the MA is about with any combat being just a bonus.

What a load of crap.  Which war was that where there was no combat?

You can't claim this is a 'war' without fighting one.  That means combat. 

Some very good valid points.   

[ink]

this game is not about rolling bases....sorry whoever said that, this game is about "Virtual Combat" Air, ground,Sea, the "war" is put in place to promote combat.    Its been a long time since i took part in taking a base, and when I did it I did it reluctintly....that said, I read a lot of people saying its hard to tell if a building was down, why not just a small piller of black smoke coming out of the destroyed building? If thats too much for FR's change the texture of the destroyed building to Black burnt, out  IE make it real easy to see from the air, I do believe the war is important to many here, I dont think HTC should make it impossable to win, just the oppisite, well at least possable to win within a couple hours not weeks, the war guys would be happy,  and furballers dont pay attention to the war anyways so why not?   

[DREDIOCK]

Not sure about all of that but I think we are in agreement that the game needs more strategic focus.  Furballing is fun for a lot of people but you need something to tie it all together.

Agreed. I'm with you to a word and What Falconwing really hits a cord. Almost identical experiences,cept I dont have a fallback game yet. But I do find myself loggin on less and less. And when I do get on I find myself staying on less and less. I remember days when I would kick my kid off the computer at 8:00 and stay till 1-2 AM every night. And logging on Saturday mornings and not logging off till 2-3 AM.

Now Im sure some of it has something to do with a certain degree of burnout. But I know thats not the whole of it. I still WANT to play But back then there was always something that seemed worthwhile to do be it tactically/strategically, furballing, or in the ground game.
As this game is progressing IMO there is just seemingly less and less worthwhile to do. Its getting boring and some aspects have become outright pointless

Strat targets are a classic example of this. Beautifully created target areas. But hitting them does next to nothing. So whats the point?

The game has lost its balance. I enjoy furballing as much as anyone. But there has to be more to the game then just furballing and the horde war.

[grizz441]

Lots of smart things are being said in this thread.  I hope Hitech is reading it.

[bj229r]

IF you are happy with the gameplay then you are fortunate....I am not having fun or experiencing any desire to play the game.  There is absolutely no point to the game anymore...there is no drama....there is no need to log on to accomplish something.....

Grizz you actually understand it....many folks really want a goal or story as part of their gameplay...so many guys have no concept of this...but THIS is why this community has never grown as it should have while about any other ww2 game explodes when it hits the stores...its sad really...

I can have an identical experience any day of the week....

1. log in
2. decide to horde
3. decide to fight a horde
4. leave within an hour of logging...often within 15 minutes
5. Play AION which is freaking awesome and has ability for PvP or PvE with rewards for anything you do!
6. Promise myself to play AH2 tomorrow...

Call it burnout or whatever you wish...I have been an addict since 1997...I used to have the game at work and play it during lunch etc...i would rush home and play until 2 am every night....the latest changes have slowly sapped any desire or NEED to play away...the maps dont change and noone REALLY needs assistance anymore...the town changes have made it close to impossible to take a base so even defending has become somewhat optional....

For now I am rushing home to level up my Ranger (Falconwing) in AION and have already logged into the website 4 times today to check status of broker etc...my legion uses ventrillo so i can experience the same chitchat as here (loads more girls though  )  I am lacking sleep and my family is beginning to wonder where I am...i guess that means i am having fun... I am sorry that I'm not havign fun in AH anymore here...I really wish i was...and by the numbers, I would guess that I am not the only one .....
>

Same...except, I'm not into #2, and I'm not talented enough for #3 (not do I have access to my own personal whord with which to address #3). I'm on hour or so...2 missions...prolly log out of boredom. I FAIL to see what motivates people to look at map, and then head straight for the biggest green darbar with the FEWEST nmy's inside it, WHAT POSSible fun can you have? shooting up buildings? Ya can do that offline

[toonces3]

Sort of what Falconwing said.

The thing with AH2, IMHO, is that it's a treadwheel existence.  A Hamster Wheel if you will.

What's the "goal"?  What am I working towards?

See, that's the end really.  Aces High is great for what it is.  I still recommend virtual dogfighters, serious about their craft, give it a try.  You will learn more about dogfighting in a month of AH2 than you will in years offline in any other sim.

But then what?  I'm an example of a decade long offline player who gave AH2 a solid 2 years of my free time.  I got fair at that game; not great, but solidly middle ground.  Ultimately, though, after I figured out that living and dying was mostly on my terms and I started to try to figure out how to apply these skills...I felt...lost.  Not that I'm some l33t pile-it or something.  It's just that, I knew how to size up a fight before I even engaged, and mostly I knew before I even started what the odds were.  Beating folks 1v1 or 1v2 or 2v1 or whatever combination was fun.  It still is fun.  But, after years, what am I working towards?

In other MMO's you work towards something.  Higher levels, more gold, better equipment, cooler dungeons, whatever.  In AH2, two years in, I'm as likely to beat on some n00b at Dedalos, Storch, SHawk, Steve, whatever.  Get my butt handed to me.  Maybe club a seal.  Whatever.  And then what?  

Being in the game for what it is is great.  But for a long term goal; to work towards some greater purpose...that's what this game misses IMHO.  That doesn't make it a bad game; it just makes it not WoW.

Fun is where you find it.

[Guppy35]

Let's be clear here though.

There are two separate things being talked/whined about.  First is those wanting an easy route to hitting the feeder bar/Perks that doesn't include interacting with anyone else beyond the horde they are in.  It's not about combat, it's about reset fast cause that means we've 'won'.

Then there are those who would like some incentive to participate in the 'war'.

A lot of us so called 'furballers' have a long time interest in WW2 aviation history and look for the things in the game that can feed that interest and provide some 'immersion.

Give me a reason to care about the "war".  If I see that the heavies are lifting deep in another chess piece land, it at least offers me the opportunity to jump in a 109 or 190 and attempt to intercept them.  Maybe it will give me a peek into that part of the airwar that I've read so much about.   Maybe I take the old 38 with DTs and go along as escort.  Again it provides some of that feel for me of what it may have at least looked like.

There is nothing about joining an NOE raid from a forward base made up of 110s, N1Ks and Lancs that would provide any of that.  Make the fighter bomber a valid part of the 'war' and then hopping in  Tiffie, Jug or heavy 38 would make more sense to me.  To do so just to reset a map is worthless to me. 

Right now, with the limited time I get to play, hopping in my 38G and hoping to run into a Japanese bird now and then is what does that.  Throw in a good dogfight and it fills those limited hours with a chance to pretend to be a cartoon fighter pilot.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, about the win the reset, horde war, has any sort of ability to feed that need.

[TeeArr]

Perhaps it is time to bring back "Fighter Town" with perk points as it was in the "Old Days".  Farming fighter perks is what is lacking from the 2 established Furballing Arenas (WW I and Dueling Arena), so maybe that's what is needed to take major furballing out of the MA, but still make it count for something.  I don't fly in Hordes very often (an Epic Mission every once in a while) but it seems that the horde is just an extension of the main reason we all are here...Friendship and camaraderie.  Just a couple of thoughts to help make and keep the game fun

Tee

[Guppy35]

Make no mistake.  This is not a "Furballer" problem.  I hate that 'go to the DA' crap. 

This is about giving the win the war guys an easy enough time so they can feel some success cause apparently it's too hard and they want to take their ball and go home. 

Basically what it feels like with most of the complaints, not all, but most, is they want it to be quick,easy, and to involve as little effort and combat as possible so they can change the map and get their perk points and attaboys.

[The Fugitive]

Make no mistake.  This is not a "Furballer" problem.  I hate that 'go to the DA' crap. 

This is about giving the win the war guys an easy enough time so they can feel some success cause apparently it's too hard and they want to take their ball and go home. 

Basically what it feels like with most of the complaints, not all, but most, is they want it to be quick,easy, and to involve as little effort and combat as possible so they can change the map and get their perk points and attaboys.

Thats exactly what it sounds like, but what can be done to fix/appease it?

Take the ack out of town. It would promote more street to street fighting in GVs, easier for those last few buildings to be spotted and taken down because you don't have to dodge ack.

I think the "reward the team with the most bases with 15 perks" when they shut down the arena daily would be a nice "carrot" and something to shoot for. It may even promote defending bases to hold the extra base for the "WIN".

While I hate the idea of strat "hindering" game play by removing ammo/fuel maybe it could be geared toward other things. Keeping the HQ 50% down increase the the time the builds stay down in the town by an addition 15 minutes.  Long range bomber squad help the war effort by giving their team more time to get troops into a town.

They look like easy fixes to me (but how would I know really  ), but it helps the game without taking things away, but by adding them

[Ack-Ack]

Make no mistake.  This is not a "Furballer" problem.  I hate that 'go to the DA' crap. 

This is about giving the win the war guys an easy enough time so they can feel some success cause apparently it's too hard and they want to take their ball and go home. 

Basically what it feels like with most of the complaints, not all, but most, is they want it to be quick,easy, and to involve as little effort and combat as possible so they can change the map and get their perk points and attaboys.

Dan is the Man.   

ack-ack

[FALCONWING]

Let's be clear here though.

There are two separate things being talked/whined about.  First is those wanting an easy route to hitting the feeder bar/Perks that doesn't include interacting with anyone else beyond the horde they are in.  It's not about combat, it's about reset fast cause that means we've 'won'.

Then there are those who would like some incentive to participate in the 'war'.

A lot of us so called 'furballers' have a long time interest in WW2 aviation history and look for the things in the game that can feed that interest and provide some 'immersion.

Give me a reason to care about the "war".  If I see that the heavies are lifting deep in another chess piece land, it at least offers me the opportunity to jump in a 109 or 190 and attempt to intercept them.  Maybe it will give me a peek into that part of the airwar that I've read so much about.   Maybe I take the old 38 with DTs and go along as escort.  Again it provides some of that feel for me of what it may have at least looked like.

There is nothing about joining an NOE raid from a forward base made up of 110s, N1Ks and Lancs that would provide any of that.  Make the fighter bomber a valid part of the 'war' and then hopping in  Tiffie, Jug or heavy 38 would make more sense to me.  To do so just to reset a map is worthless to me. 

Right now, with the limited time I get to play, hopping in my 38G and hoping to run into a Japanese bird now and then is what does that.  Throw in a good dogfight and it fills those limited hours with a chance to pretend to be a cartoon fighter pilot.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, about the win the reset, horde war, has any sort of ability to feed that need.

The title of the thread seems clear enough to me....it caught my attention because I (Falconwing) have stopped enjoying this game....not whining..not asking anyone to change anything....I am simply agreeing with the OP that for MYSELF....the changes have sapped whatever it was that made me rush home to log on and play the game...

For years i have read these threads while you (Dan) and other posters have railed against what folks like myself enjoy doing...Gratz...you win...your point of view has been followed and the changes have been made and I have almost completely left this game...enjoy your perfect community that has no room for folks who enjoy different aspects of the game