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Offline Mirage

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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2011, 03:00:08 AM »
do you even read the entire thread tyrannis?

I am facepalming myself over your post and I started this stupid argument
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2011, 03:04:47 AM »
Lets put the cat amoung the American pigeons shall we :old:

The Japanese Imperial Forces were vastly superior to the American forces in all aspects of warfare in the pacific and due to US's massive industrial base that they defeated the Japanese forces.

We ALL  know why the Japanese forces failed because they were lacking! :old:

Lets see how many myths about this theatre of war appear, i doubt there will be any.

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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2011, 03:08:07 AM »
Correct but the japanese themselfs stated that they would not be able to win a war with the US before the even started it, so its their fault  :bolt:
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2011, 03:10:48 AM »
Who was Kommando Knowotty?

And i started this discussion not you!

Germans planes smell of sausage by the way :banana:
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2011, 03:47:39 AM »
No he wasn't he stated the RAF out numbered the German air force in pilots and machines! next!

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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2011, 04:29:50 AM »
RAF fighter command started with less machines and pilots . BUT  because the RAF were fighting over their own land a lost plane would not always mean a lost pilot . where as the Germans would lose a plane and machine every time as either POW or KIA. 

            At the start of the BoB bomber command took up roughly 70% of new aircrews as BoB went on pilot training was more focused on fighters . hence why at the end of BoB  fighter levels were about the same .  Also note that RAF fighter command also includes squadrons out side of mainland GB at the time .  most important figures to look at are squadron strength in 11 and 12 group  for the RAF .   Aircraft production was done in double shift .  In Coventry the BSA  works never stopped production from 1939 to 1944 . BSA made browning 303 and ammo , bren guns,  76mm shells , vickers guns and ammo.  The only time production stopped was for 12 hours after the main factory was bombed and the lower levels were made safe for work .   

RAF tactics improved over the course of BoB too . after the first 4 weeks Squadron leaders threw out the old book and changed to a finger four like the Germans .  They also designated targets for each squadron dependant on aircraft.  Pilot rotation  became more common thus cancelling out combat fatigue which plagued the lufft . While individual pilot  skills were higher at the start  this advantage was soon lost quickly  .    As i pointed out before the RAF could hold on to this skill set easier than the Germans  .



As to if anyone was prepared to defend against germany then i think even the USA wouldn't have been able to stop the Germans if they had been attached to main land Europe.  That is what saved Britain. The English channel  with out it The UK would have been lost . RAF bomber command was ill prepared to attack armour , the army would have been ineffective against German armour. German war tactics need short  fast battles to win .  That is what made the Bf109 a terrible escort  too short rang for the job .

  If Germany had been in Britain's position then the result would have been very similar  with 109's defending against Hurricanes , spitfires  escorting  Wellington and Hampton bombers.    In fact if they had kept the air forces the same size then Germany may even have been able to break out into Europe  and push back the aggressors 
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2011, 04:41:06 AM »
If a Spit or Huri pilot was shot down and survived, he could fly a new plane the same day.  Not the same for the Germans.

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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2011, 04:51:27 AM »
Thats a myth the germans had invented a secret teleport machine that rescued downed german pilots :old:
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2011, 09:48:49 AM »



As to if anyone was prepared to defend against germany then i think even the USA wouldn't have been able to stop the Germans if they had been attached to main land Europe. 

I expect such a fight would have been much like Germany Vs. Russia.  While not nearly as massive as the Soviet Union, the geography of the US has some good topographical features that would give any invading army a lot of headaches.  If the US held the line of the Mississippi....

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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2011, 10:07:53 AM »
true but the usa is also quite different to the ussr in that it had a good  road structure this meant fuel and supplies would get to the front line quickly which is what the germans needed. the USA at the outbreak of 1939-1940  were worse equipped than the USSR  in some ways with alot less troops and less forced labour to fill dead mens boots.  plus the italian army would have come more into play .  hell half of New york couls be classed as Italian territories.
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2011, 11:35:38 AM »
do you even read the entire thread tyrannis?

I am facepalming myself over your post and I started this stupid argument
wtf are you even talking about?  :headscratch: just go away.

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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2011, 11:37:01 AM »
So the allies were on double shift production?   :headscratch:

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Pretty much from the start of hostilities, US factories went to round the clock (3 shifts) retooling and wartime production.  I don't know about British industry, though.  The Germans, even though they were at war a full two years prior to the United States, didn't put their production lines into full war effort until Mid-late 1943, which was already way too late.
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2011, 12:21:48 PM »
wtf are you even talking about?  :headscratch: just go away.
I am talking about how with every keystroke, you make yourself look more and more moronic
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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2011, 12:25:15 PM »
I am talking about how with every keystroke, you make yourself look more and more moronic
mirage, for someone who's calling ME moronic, you fail to know that opinion =/= equal fact.


so unless you provide proof of me "being moronic" then your just trying to troll  :rolleyes:


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Re: US and Soviet Union in World War II (was: From Appomatox
« Reply #89 on: January 20, 2011, 12:35:59 PM »
you have provided your own proof in the A20 thread  :lol
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