wat ever happended to pilots with honor

[nrshida]

OK Shuff he fired turn left now.... ok ok that piece was not important.. just an elevator your ok keep going......

 

[321BAR]

has anyone thought that honor comes in many different shapes and sizes?... one person's idea of honor may not be anothers

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has anyone thought that honor comes in many different shapes and sizes?... one person's idea of honor may not be anothers

does not mean they are correct

Honor is not something that can not be changed or manipulated to suit ones one idea's.

[Wiley]

does not mean they are correct

On both sides...

Honor is not something that can not be changed or manipulated to suit ones one idea's.

I get what you're saying in spite of the typo, but people claiming their opponents have 'no honor' because they got ganged in the MA is kind of like a receiver in football claiming his opponents have no honor because he got ganged after he caught the ball.

The MA is multi on multi, not 1v1, no matter how many times people wish for it to be otherwise.

The only thing you can count on from your opponent is doing anything he can do to beat you.  Some people have things they won't do, but don't expect the other guy to be playing by your particular set of rules.

Wiley.

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On both sides...

I get what you're saying in spite of the typo, but people claiming their opponents have 'no honor' because they got ganged in the MA is kind of like a receiver in football claiming his opponents have no honor because he got ganged after he caught the ball.

The MA is multi on multi, not 1v1, no matter how many times people wish for it to be otherwise.

The only thing you can count on from your opponent is doing anything he can do to beat you.  Some people have things they won't do, but don't expect the other guy to be playing by your particular set of rules.

Wiley.

just because anything goes in the MA which I know that is the case....does not mean Honor does not exist, or should not.

trying to say Honor is in the "eye of the beholder" is like saying morality is what one decides it is.....

so if someone thinks its ok to rape a woman, in his eyes its a good Honorable thing to do.....so its OK???????????

hardly..... he is a scumbag that should have his head removed......

I know that's a huge jump, MA play to rape, but my point stands, Honor is not something that ANYONE can change.

Honor is basically dead in today's world.....this thread is proof of that, besides the fact all you have to do is open your eyes and look at the world at large and see.

Morality
Honor
Integrity
Truth
Love

no matter how hard you/people try to change the meanings behind these words they transcend us humans, they are unchangeable.

[Torquila]

I agree with Ink in a manner.

When you chose to divide something by giving it a name: In order to control and harness it, it has a very specific meaning at that instant.

Although the meaning can diminish over time due to loss of information and mis-interpretation through interference, it is still completely reliant on the ability to be measured. In fact, if it couldn't be mis-interpreted it would not of had a "true" form to exist with in the first place.

As well if it could not be seen as "levels of honour" ALA: military medals/etc, it wouldn't be concrete and thus never existed.

This is not a discussion of wether interpretations of honour are "right" or "wrong" its a manner of throwing away personal agendas and admitting to yourself where you truely stand. Do you try to be honourable, or do you not?

The worst thing in the world is someone who says they are non-violent but uses all other means to express said voilence instead, because in the end; it has the same effect.

Unfortunately when names and concepts are concerned, its all about absolutes. Thats why its best to avoid them (if you can).

Lets be honest then? 

[Midway]

just because anything goes in the MA which I know that is the case....does not mean Honor does not exist, or should not.

trying to say Honor is in the "eye of the beholder" is like saying morality is what one decides it is.....

so if someone thinks its ok to rape a woman, in his eyes its a good Honorable thing to do.....so its OK???????????

hardly..... he is a scumbag that should have his head removed......

I know that's a huge jump, MA play to rape, but my point stands, Honor is not something that ANYONE can change.

Honor is basically dead in today's world.....this thread is proof of that, besides the fact all you have to do is open your eyes and look at the world at large and see.

Morality
Honor
Integrity
Truth
Love

no matter how hard you/people try to change the meanings behind these words they transcend us humans, they are unchangeable.

  so completely and utterly wrong.... think about this more.   Read the newspaper, check yourself, etc....

  Honour is alive and well and all around us if we open our eyes and look.

[Wiley]

trying to say Honor is in the "eye of the beholder" is like saying morality is what one decides it is.....

Except it's ultimately subjective.  Based on what I've seen from you, your idea of an honorable fight is probably along the lines of you up your plane of choice, your opponent ups his plane of choice, and it's 1v1 to the death, no HO on first merge.

Why is that more correct than if my plane of choice happens to be a Hurri 1 and I don't believe it's honorable for my opponent to fly his LA7 because he's got such a clear equipment advantage?

Wiley.

[ink]

so completely and utterly wrong.... think about this more.   Read the newspaper, check yourself, etc....

  Honour is alive and well and all around us if we open our eyes and look.

  ...

ya ok......read the newspaper 

ya fill your head with what they want you to read....there ya go 

Except it's ultimately subjective.  Based on what I've seen from you, your idea of an honorable fight is probably along the lines of you up your plane of choice, your opponent ups his plane of choice, and it's 1v1 to the death, no HO on first merge.

Why is that more correct than if my plane of choice happens to be a Hurri 1 and I don't believe it's honorable for my opponent to fly his LA7 because he's got such a clear equipment advantage?

Wiley.

it is NOT subjective.....

what I am speaking about is way beyond this game.



now as far as what I feel is an Honorable fight ingame....no it certainly don't have to be 1vs1....do I go looking for 1vs1???? or do I attack the biggest red dar there is????

anyone who knows me knows I talk/preach about Honor...if you caught me in the MA vulching a field over and over would I be true to my word?  would that be Honorable?   hell no...if someone who does not care about that, and vulches do I really feel they are un-honorable???? not if they don't "preach" Honor......

I do realize this is a game and don't hold much stock in how someone else plays.....but hold much stock in How I play.

as far as your LA/hurri1

if you know he is in a LA7 take a Hurri2C instead    that would be one dead LA.

[Midway]

...

ya ok......read the newspaper 

ya fill your head with what they want you to read....there ya go  :AoM

Firefighters rescuing people, dads going into a burning house to save their kids, strangers helping car accident victims, soldiers protecting our country, medics responding quickly as possible to a situation, mangers hiring vets, kids volunteering in the community, etc, etc, etc. 

[ink]

Firefighters rescuing people, dads going into a burning house to save their kids, strangers helping car accident victims, soldiers protecting our country, medics responding quickly as possible to a situation, mangers hiring vets, kids volunteering in the community, etc, etc, etc. 

and I could list a thousand things that show different 

I said its dead in the world, not necessarily people.

[PFactorDave]

Firefighters rescuing people, dads going into a burning house to save their kids, strangers helping car accident victims, soldiers protecting our country, medics responding quickly as possible to a situation, mangers hiring vets, kids volunteering in the community, etc, etc, etc.  

I don't believe that those are examples of honor.  Those things are noble.

Honor is, you just broke something in a shop.  Nobody saw you.  You could walk away from it with no ramifications.  Instead, you pick up the pieces and take them to the cash register and offer to pay for the item you broke.

Honor is doing the right thing even when nobody else will ever know or doing the right thing when the other option would be easier and nobody else would ever know..

[Midway]

and I could list a thousand things that show different  

I said its dead in the world, not necessarily people.

You can't ignore all the good honourable things going on and say honour is dead in the world.   It is very much alive.

[Midway]

I don't believe that those are examples of honor.  Those things are noble.

Honor is, you just broke something in a shop.  Nobody saw you.  You could walk away from it with no ramifications.  Instead, you pick up the pieces and take them to the cash register and offer to pay for the item you broke.

Honor is doing the right thing even when nobody else will ever know or doing the right thing when the other option would be easier and nobody else would ever know..

Many people do the honourable thing in these situations.  My point is Honour is not dead in the world today.   

[Wiley]

as far as your LA/hurri1

if you know he is in a LA7 take a Hurri2C instead    that would be one dead LA.

That's not the point.  My plane of choice is the hurri 1.  I don't want to fly a IIc.  A case can be made it's not honorable of him to fly his LA7 against me.

If you're in your IIC and you see a Hurri 1 bandit, will you attack it?  What if the bandit feels that's not honorable?  Now you're the bad guy in his eyes.

Your arbitrary line isn't the same as everybody else's.

In the real world, we're on the same page.  When it comes to something like a game where nothing is actually lost and anything goes, no matter how strict of a code you follow unless you're acting like some kind of Taoist monk/lawyer hybrid, somebody's going to feel you're acting with 'no honor' and treating them unfairly even if you're giving them every conceivable advantage.

Wiley.