Where has the AH Luftwaffe gone?

[Creamo]

Ah, Im happy. Your happy.

Now, lets go to the WWIIOL boards and be mad as hell!

1.2 or else!  Or, I'll  do the thing with the Japansese red magic marker someone was so brilliant to goof on... lol

[AKSWulfe]

Despite repeatedly pointing it out, you refuse to see it for yourself.

You know what though? I will comment on that thing you said about Fatty's comment.

I saw a generalization, after close to 9 months of dealing with RAM and the rest of his now defunct crew that are over in WW2Ol or wherever else... well it's quite easy to see why Fatty would never want to be associated with that crowd. Fatty said clearly that he's glad they are leaving, because normal LW players will no longer be associated with that crowd.

Quoted from Fatty:
"I'm quite shocked any sim would want such a bunch of persistantly whining, detail obsessed piss-poor sports men."

Hmmm, truth must hurt. You dig up the threads by RAM and his whining cronies. Not a lick of proof for all their complaints about the small stuff.

Quoted from Fatty:
"Hopefully, that'll leave the virtual skies free for fliers who appreciate fine machines for what they are, and leave their jackboots on the ground."

I can see where he's going with this one. Now people can freely fly the fine German machines without being associated with the crew that surrounded those planes with so much disgust and annoyance.

AH has become a friendlier environment for the most part now that the LWhiners are gone and some may still be contemplating/threatening to leave if some minor detail isn't fixed.

There's LW and then there's the LWhiners.

Everyone knows there's a distinct difference, and if you don't then you haven't been paying attention for the past year.

To say that there is a group of people out there to destroy the LW and their aircraft inside this game is so insanely ludicrous, that only the most extreme LWhiners believe it.
-SW

[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

[Seeker]

Pongo,
  if you can bear to read my stuff again, you'll find numerous references to lot's of people flying German planes and liking them, you'll find me saluting a few by name who consistently whack me, you'll find the odd posting in other threads from me asking for advice because I can't fly German planes worth a dam, etc, etc. (I believe one such post was specificaly addressed to you and ZeZausage, pointing out the differences bewtween a fine pilot flying German and a typical Luftwhiner who can't fly worth a left handed wank).

You wouldn't be feeling a bit defensive because you fear being tarred with the same brush, would you?

You're not. It takes more than an affinity with German planes to be a Luftwhiner, hence this thread, "Where has the AH Luftwaffe gone".

[Pongo]

SW are you quoting fatty or seeker. I was quoting Seeker directing the quote to Fatty.

"To say that there is a group of people out there to destroy the LW and their aircraft inside this game is so insanely ludicrous, that only the most extreme LWhiners believe it.
"
I am not sure what you mean. Do you think I am saying that? I am not. I am saying that people treat issues concerning German AC as if Ram raised every one of them. And that a reasonable person might feel they were being attacked when these attacks are made against such a broad group.
Now I see that infact the definition of who is attacked this way is very narrow. Are we so sure this is clear to all who read them?

To clerify it for you SW. A conspiracy is not merely some group behaving in a united way or for a  common purpose. A conspiracy I believe involves the secret agreement to do so. I dont think that there is a conspiracy here. I think some of you just enjoy behaving that way and you cant stand to think it might have a negative effect beyond the person that you are baiting.
It is funny to read all the incredulous denials from the perps though.

Seeker why would I be worried about being included in your hate group? I have few if any of the charecteristics that you use to classify its members. I fly few LW aircraft and none well. I have no aggenda to improve the LW aircraft, I dont change my name or give myself any rank in the game.
My crime here is that think your behaving badly. And I think that enought people behaving badly like you do is kinda distastfull and has a negative effect on the comunity. Since the negative effect is one that you eveidently desire I doubt you will aggree with me. But thanks for keeping me off your list for now.
I will admit in all frankness that as much of the negative conotation of flying LW aircraft was created by some of the people flying them as has been created by the bashers. I just wish we could move beyond the whole sorry mess.

[AKSWulfe]

Well I think it's obvious that people DO treat every issue with German AC as if RAM raised them for one sole solitary purpose: Lack of proof. It happens with all the planes where an issue is brought up or an error is believed to exist. It isn't just those LW planes.

Notice the roll rate thread, proof was brought to the debating table and people took it as an issue.

The Mauser debate about the D9 guns being somehow broken was refuted because no proof was brought to the table.

Other than that I have no idea what other issues were brought up with German aircraft that were debated, but I can pretty much assume there was no proof otherwise people would of subsided and a real discussion could of ensued.

It isn't just the "LW" planes that are being scrutinized, it's anything that doesn't have data or proof of an error brought to the table.

You wonder why it looks like only the LW is being scrutinized and their claims refuted? It's because you are viewing it from the LW point of view.

The fact of the matter is, I'm an equal opportunist hater. I don't like anyone that views things from only their point of view or to their benefit.

If the "LWhiner" comment hits too close to home, maybe it isn't the comment that bites but somewhere in your subconscious you, yourself, believes this to be true?
-SW

[Seeker]

<adds Pongo to "The List">

[Fatty]

I've never considered quitting nor felt abused based on the quaker label, nor ho dweeb, nor spit dweeb, nor chog dweeb, nor niki dweeb.  If someone whines a lot and flies mostly LW planes, then luftwhiner fits, plain and simple.  If someone flies a p51 in orbit, only to run off at the first sign of a reverse, then runstang fits, plain and simple.  When I fly the IL2, HO dweeb fits.

Believe me, if I had a catchy nickname for p38 drivers that whine too much about the niki, I would have applied it to DZCamp and Tac a long time ago.

[Creamo]

SW are you quoting fatty or seeker. I was quoting Seeker directing the quote to Fatty

Let me quote Fatty's quote of Seeker for Pongo, which SW responded too, and SOB didn't say much but R4metzass read and told Wilbus, who as the leader of the LW tards and emailed Bistro's bank manager, who in fact is AKDvu's cousins sister.

Meds you tard, MEDS!

[Professor Fate]

You wonder why it looks like only the LW is being scrutinized and their claims refuted? It's because you are viewing it from the LW point of view.

The fact of the matter is, I'm an equal opportunist hater. I don't like anyone that views things from only their point of view or to their benefit.

 What kinda a crap did you just spew out?  Lad sounds like you ought to be telling a shrink what your problem is with people not us, seriously bud get some help.

[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: Professor Fate ]

[DeeZCamp]

lol im a whiner now... because i suggest ideas? haha sure thing fatty  

let me guess you read the x-plane posts and have a bias against me now?  

as for n1ks whatever... hehe they are easy to fly .. too easy    and they are easy to kill with a little thought.

Look at my kills aginst them in my 51  

Ho, dont Ho who cares.. fly n1k dont fly n1k who cares  

look for a challenge when flying... or dont  

wow this post is long... is it a record holder for replies?

 anyway <S>  anyway  

[Wotan]

lol seeker talking about pilot skills........

I've had a look at his scores he aint worth a toejam in any plane....

which is really irrelevant if hes havin fun but seems to me he enjoys more the skill he has developed at being an a**hole then anything else.........

what the heck its his 30 bucks.........

[AKSWulfe]

I will clarify what I was saying because you missed it Prof Fate... well maybe you just didn't understand the context.

This whole thread is about a select few LW. They come here touting their superiority crap and how their aircraft are all being oppressed by some unknown/unseen/unheard-of group of people.

My point is that if you view this issue or other issues from only one point of view, of course it's going to be distorted and against your point of view. I don't like people that take only half of a discussion then twist it around to make it out like their a martyr and the other side is the bad guy.

As for the shrink comment, kiss my ass.
-SW

[ 07-24-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

[AKDejaVu]

prof fate,

He's simply trying to say that the LW enthusiasts get the same consideration when it comes to "issues" with the game.  Anybody that thinks their favorite ride is screwed without having any data to back it up gets labeled a whiner.

As for the shrink part... I thought we weren't supposed to say that?  Seems half the bbs jumped on wulfie last time he said something like that to someone else.  Maybe there are double standards afterall.

AKDejaVu

[DeeZCamp]

we can't tell someone they need to see a shrink?

hmm.. strange

[AKDejaVu]

Maybe its only Wulfie that can't tell someone they need a shrink.

AKDejaVu