Where has the AH Luftwaffe gone?

[Creamo]

But if you say that people like NathBDP, Santa, Kirin, Habicht, Wilbus, et all, do NOT represent the best bunch of virtual LW pilots
in AH (and IMO of AH aswell) then you are plain blind.

I must be blind. I aint seen them in months.

[R4M]

try this: open an account in AH under another handle so noone knows you are fatty. Then get into a dedicated LW squad. Then come to the board with your signature showing clearly you are in a LW squad and that you are a LW dedicated pilot.

Finally, go to the Aircraft and vehicles forum and start a thread saying that something in any of the german planes is not right.

Wanna bet a pack of six beers that the word "luftwhiner" comes up at least twice in that thread?. If I were you, I won't bet  

[edit] Creamo once again you show me that my english sucks  . Edited the post so it reflexes what I think, said it poorly before  [/edit]

[ 07-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[Fatty]

I must base this assumption regarding the planes on feel, right?  Or am I allowed to actually back it up with facts (as was actually done in the roll rate thread, resulting in taking it seriously).

Must I foam at the mouth and scream hispano as loud as I can?  Do I have to remember to include the niki in the allied conspiracy list?

Do I need to talk badly of everyone's flying style who doesn't treat each virtual life as if the fate of Germany rested upon it?

Oh dear, there I go mocking again.

[AKDejaVu]

Ram,

Its very difficult to argue against someone saying that we all think LW pilots are like you when you seem to think you represent all LW pilots.  You do not.

The type of plane you fly or the squad you are in has nothing to do with your reception in the arena or on the boards (with the exception of the FDPs).  About the only plane choice you can make that seems to really brand you these days is Spit, N1K2 or F4u-1C.  Really... all the dweeb planes seem to have been determined by LW pilots.  Quite ironic.

Nobody here cares that people have 20 character "von" titles in front of their names in this forum.  The only time people speak up, is when the person wearing the title seems to think it means something.

AKDejaVu

[Creamo]

ouch.

[R4M]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Ram,

Its very difficult to argue against someone saying that we all think LW pilots are like you when you seem to think you represent all LW pilots.  You do not.

When did I say I do represent somebody?. And much less a whole collective!.

Please dont put words nor intentions in my name because ,far from representing any collective in AH, I'm away from it. It would be hard to represent anyone flying and paying for AH when I dont and I dont plan to do it in the foreseeable future.

What is me, I dont have the desire nor intention to represent amybody.Maybe my squadron yes, but not a whole collective on AH. Far from my intentions.



Nobody here cares that people have 20 character "von" titles in front of their names in this forum.  The only time people speak up, is when the person wearing the title seems to think it means something.

AKDejaVu

That is false, plain and simple. To fly LW, being a dedicated LW pilot and being in a dedicated LW squad gives you instantly the award of "luftwaffe pilot", wich in this community has a very very dangerous and distasteful consequence: you are about to enter the "luftWhiner" club. Any mention in the boards or online regarding the "hot" elements of AH (being those the N1K2, the hispanos, etc) will give you the present of being under suspect. And if you insist, that will instantly sign your enter into the said club.

And waht you say about "The only time people speak up, is when the person wearing the title seems to think it means something" pretty much shows what I say.

When I fly a sim dont intend to be a german pilot trying to save my nation from bombing; nor I want to defend the fatherland from the red menace, etc etc etc. I want to have fun flying LW planes, using LW tactics, and under a LW squad name. But that is all.

 There are lots of dedicated pilots flying LW planes, who say they fly LW, and do it as I do. What I dont know is SOMEONE who flies like you say: thinking that by flying LW he is instantly an uber-ace or something. I could fly a Spitfire in a RAF squad, and I'd want just the same realism: I would like to use real tactics in realistic environments. The only reason I don't is because I like the german planes (and I hate the spits  ). But granted, that If I was on the other side of the fence, being an anti LW individual instead a Pro-LW, I'm sure I would be not as bad seen as I am.

Oh, and Indeed I DO want realism, historical matches and an HA; as many of the people who like LW planes do (and as many who dont fly LW do aswell). But that doesnt mean that each time I fly a Fw190 I think I'm in 1944, or I am something special... for heavens sake, that is NOT true.

But some people,as yourself, think it is true, and awards that "feeling" to someone  dedicaded LW pilot. So, indeed you show that you have a PREJUICE against us: we are "all wearing a title as if it meant something". lol. I never gave myself a title for flying a 190, yet you seem to think I do.

In short, you give me the reason. Indeed THERE IS A PREJUICE against dedicated LW pilots. What is notable is the resistance to admit it by some people here...

[ 07-21-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]

[MANDOBLE]

I dont see LW vpilots going away, only few of them, anything but a representative portion of LW flyers. What I see is a representative portion of "old" LW pilots going away, but the total number keeps more or less the same.
The overal quality of LW flyers keeps also the same, there is a bunch of fine "converted" pilots here.

[Minotaur]

You are wrong RAM.  It is the whining.

[Kieran]

hehe

One of my earliest memories of AH was Fatty kicking the snot outta 8-10 of us at sea level in his German iron. He finally would run out of ammo and get killed (mainly because he didn't wish to waste the time to RTB I imagine, but you have to ask him about that).

I remember Fishu ruling the roost in the A8. We had met in DoA (where I flew the DVa - German - almost exclusively). He was forming a LW squad and asked if I would join (based on his perception of my preference of aircraft I suppose). I kindly declined because I avoid squads for the most part (life too busy).

I remember getting another request from Ripsnort when he was flying JG2. Again, I kindly rejected the offer.

Hblair was someone I met in the ACA of WB. He was hot there, and he is hot here.

I could go on, but let me get to the point; many of us who are/were not considered "LW elite" in fact do/did enjoy the LW planes of AH very much, and even do/did quite well in them.

But as far as LWhiners go...

The "LWhiner" thing is a reaction to an incessant complaint about anything in the game that disadvantaged the LW. What this clique failed to realize is there are discrepancies enough for all sides. It was elevated to legendary proportions by a selected few LW posters.

Fishu should not be included in the LW whiner thing IMHO as he tends to try to test things out before he comments. Sure, he complained about the LW planes, but he also complained about other a/c as well, and not just so the LW would be even better.

On the whole though I believe I prefer St.Santa to all of 'em. I think he has this thing figured out despite having a perverted psuedo-life thingy going on.

[lazs1]

ram said... "That collective is repeatedly,sistematically insulted, and treated like toejam
                    just because they like what they like and they want to feel something more than a
                    furball game, they want to fly in a realistic environment where they represent the
                    Luftwaffe. For that they are called everything ranging from LuftWhiner to Nazis."

whaaa??? They want to fly in a realistic environment and be big bad LW but htey don't want to be called nazi's?   didn't everyone who flew against WWII LW call em nazi's?   It is the same ol crap with some of the luftwhinners.... they are big bad arrogant black hat dark side macho men when things are going their way (unrealistic) but they cry like little girls when things get more realistic than the "I killed for Hitler" romance novels they read themselves to sleep by.  

As for the "elite"... they may be elite in a set piece scenario (one wonders if they would do as well if they switched back and forth between allied and axis in the same scenario) but... All I know about is the arena.   the so called "elite" that I met were Ok... they were talented but nothing special.   I have seen many that were much more talented in the arena.   Many that are very talented in the arena can fly any plane and don't just stick to the one trick ponies.

Affiliate yourself with one side... limit yourself to one countries planes and try to force everyone to fly in a manner you deem "realistic"....   I can't think of a better formula for eventually feeling picked on and for getting a bad case of burnout.
lazs

[AKSWulfe]

Lazs said it fairly roughly, but he knows what he's talking about.

DJV, Creamo and Fatty pretty much said what I would have.

Kieren got it too.

As I said to Grunherz, there is no conspiracy theory against your fabled LW planes. It's all in your head and you are making it out to seem like the world is against you.

Sorry, but what angst is here against the "LW pilots" is here because of you and self-proclaimed 'LW elite' people like you RAM.

The current LW players more than make up for the loss of the select vocal LW. The current LW players not be good right now, but they will be better than the ones that left in no time flat.

Then when they come back in a huff with you leading them like the head honcho whino RAM, everyone will say "LuftWho?"
-SW

[Pongo]

Ram just couldnt stay out of it eh...
If you make statements that read like there is a conspiracy to get rid of the elite LW pilots then dont be suprised when people take you to task for:
Thinking there are conspiracies at work here..
And that you are a member of some kind of elite...

Dont you feel the least bit responsible for creating the enviroment that led to this? How do you hope to fix the issue with more of the same noncence?
Your own arguments are too easy to refute and they are in a tone that validates the assault against you.
And you insist on saying that any attack against you is an attack against all that fly LW iron.
The fact that you have never been successful in getting changes made to the game does not mean that there is a conspiracy. Just that you suck at making a good case for what you want. The way you do it draws critism till the argument is about you not your point.
This pattern has repeated over and over. But its not a conspiracy its just baggage of your past threads and rants.

[funkedup]

Wow, hadn't read this one for a few days.  All-time classics from Pongo and Lazs.  You guys summed some thoughts up very neatly there.

[Pongo]

"In fact, if enough of 'em go, I'd be tempted to try a butcher bird myself; once the risk of being mistaken for Luftwaffe was gone.

So the Luftwaffe are leaving. Good. I'm quite shocked any sim would want such a bunch of persistantly whining, detail obsessed piss-poor sports men.

Hopefully, that'll leave the virtual skies free for fliers who appreciate fine machines for what they are, and leave their jackboots on the ground.
"

This is posted for Fatty.
Note the generalisation.
Note the hatred.
Note the Nazi refrence.

[SOB]

That's One.