Should A20 loose it's F3 mode

[lyric1]

   on one hand, we know A20s didn't do this IRL, which, in my mind, classifies it as "gamey," but on the other hand, if a guy can achieve success throwing a bomber around in a dogfight, well then more power to him, right?             since i can't decide, my vote would be to leave it as is.   like it has been said earlier in this thread, if you can't beat an A20 in a dogfight, and you're flying a fighter, you best get some lessons.    regardless of who is flying the A20.    

The Russians used the A20 as a fighter had several squadrons. Granted night fighters from what I have read it seems though they did do some dog fighting.

Just because the western allies did not see it for a fighter the eastern allies thought otherwise.

Only wish the Russians documented more on this plane I think there is a chapter missing with the history & capability's of the A-20.

[chaser]

Yes it should for no other reason than to make it that much harder to bomb**** in it.

[lyric1]

Yes it should for no other reason than to make it that much harder to bomb**** in it.

Never have been able to hit anything in F3 mode.

[lyric1]

The Russians used the A20 as a fighter had several squadrons. Granted night fighters from what I have read it seems though they did do some dog fighting.

Just because the western allies did not see it for a fighter the eastern allies thought otherwise.

Only wish the Russians documented more on this plane I think there is a chapter missing with the history & capability's of the A-20.

Here is an example. With a Boston no less,it's possible that the gunners got them it doesn't really say.

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[newz]

 I suspect the changes to the IL2 have brought the A20 to the front of the class for base defence.

That and the fact you can't roll an il when the fighter hangers are down. What choice besides the a20 do you have when only bomber hangers are up?

[Chilli]

That and the fact you can't roll an il when the fighter hangers are down. What choice besides the a20 do you have when only bomber hangers are up?

Have you ever try to wrestle a good stick flying a D3A or SBD?  Let me tell you there are plenty of options.  These are concerns, no less, because of the base capture procedure that we have become familiar with in the game.  I posed this question about the comparison to the iL2 for reasons that I stated above and yes, newz someone else had made your point and somewhat softened my opinions on the matter.  I can't forsee the A20 losing its bomber hangar status, as did the iL2.

[newz]

if the A20 was moved to a FH, without ridding itself of F3,

Why should the a20 receive treatment that was not afforded to the il?
If the il-2 is a fighter I'll eat my hat!

[wil3ur]

Flying an Il2 from Capped Airflields w/o any Ord and w/o F3 mode as an experiment, I was able to rack up a nearly 3/1 KD spread in the plane, and I am nowhere near one of the better sticks in this game.  I don't think F3 will fix any of the complaints people have, because fact of the matter is, there are still people who lose P51-D vs. Il2 out there...

Late War Tour 141
Kills by wil3ur in an
Il-2 by model type
Model Type Kills Percent

A6M5b          2
Bf 110C-4b       1
Bf 110G-2       1
F4F-4          1 
F4U-1A          1
F4U-1D          4
F6F-5          4   
FM2          1
Fw 190A-8       1 
Fw 190D-9       2
Fw 190F-8       1
Il-2          1
P-40C          1
P-47N          2
P-51D          4
SeaFire                    3
Spitfire Mk XVI                 1

Total         31

 
LVTA2          8
LVTA4          1 
M-18          4
M-3          1 
M4A3(75)       1
Panzer IV F       1
Panzer IV H       8
T-34/85                    3
Wirbelwind       2 

Total         29


 

[mechanic]

I am yet another person who has an opinion on this matter.
My opinion shall follow:
This entire thread is pointless and only comes about due to players getting spanked by a medium bomber and not being able to take it.
thank you for letting me join in
carry on

[Chilli]

Talk about pointless..... should  I add clueless?

I am yet another person who has an opinion on this matter.
My opinion shall follow:
This entire thread is pointless and only comes about due to players getting spanked by a medium bomber and not being able to take it.
thank you for letting me join in
carry on

And everybody has an opinion.....  A simple look at my stats will deal in facts instead of insertion of your own reality.

Late War Tour 141 Statistics for ChiLLi
 
Model Type    Kills In    Kills Of    Killed By    Died In
A-20G  -----   ----0    ----3 ------   ----3    -------0

^^^^
How is being bombed by an A20 3 times during an entire tour count as being spanked?

Such misinformation from a trainer after I was pointing out how helpful they were. 

[grizz441]

My heart bleeds for all the poor players getting spanked by the uber A20.

[mechanic]

Chilli,
      you talk of misinformation and then you base your whole counter point on one single tour?
Perhaps you got spanked six months ago and you still are smarting from it?

It only takes one spanking to form a life long grudge in some cases.

My opinion does not count as information either, it counts as my opinion.

S!

[Chilli]

Perhaps the attacks on me and others who posted and the insertion of your opinions about posters motives rather than indulging in the debate over why iL2s lost their F3 mode and if the A20 is comparible.

Again if you or Grizz would like to check my stats feel free.  I went back 4 or 5 months and none of what you say is true.  Previous tour than posted killed 5 was killed by A20 once.  Rolling back another k=3 d=2, back another tour oooh I must have gotten spanked; k=0, d=1, and again rolling back woot... this is freakish, I got a kill in the A20 and didn't kill any or get killed by any....

If what you guys (not just you Mechanic) have been saying is true then, I must really  suck at this game and might as well hang up my subscription.  For the last time either debate the comparison of iL2 to A20 or just go troll somewhere else.  The thread was dead and had to be revived by more of this nonsense.  Wish I could lock it now.  Thanks all of those who actually got the point and chose to make informative comments. 

[TheBug]

I am yet another person who has an opinion on this matter.
My opinion shall follow:
This entire thread is pointless and only comes about due to players getting spanked by a medium bomber and not being able to take it.
thank you for letting me join in
carry on

Never took you as a drama queen type.  Just going with the latest trends? 

[Vinkman]

yes