Me 410 data

[PR3D4TOR]

The wing was redesigned with new outer sections and a different radiator flap setup.



210 on top, 410 below.

[PR3D4TOR]

That twin-tailed prototype also has split flaps, unlike the production model.

[Debrody]

Thank you, never guessed thees two planes were as much different.
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[Krusty]

That twin-tailed prototype also has split flaps, unlike the production model.

Not surprising, given how early it was built. I noticed that in my photo as well but forgot to note in my caption. You can see the radiator flap top edge doesn't droop either. It must not have been very good for lift!

[Charge]

"You can see the radiator flap top edge doesn't droop either. It must not have been very good for lift!"

What do you mean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VKipM2CF2Cc#t=293s


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[Krusty]

Charge, we're talking about the twin-tail original prototype. It has split flaps and the upper edge doesn't drop as the oil cooler opens. See the picture in the previous page (with the air flow yarn taped to the wing).

[PR3D4TOR]

Those are the engine coolant radiators not the oil coolers. The oil coolers are the small air scoops located underneath the engines.

[Krusty]

Those are the engine coolant radiators not the oil coolers. The oil coolers are the small air scoops located underneath the engines.

Correct. Simply used in haste without really thinking which cooler it was.

[Charge]

"It has split flaps and the upper edge doesn't drop as the oil cooler opens. See the picture in the previous page (with the air flow yarn taped to the wing)."

Indeed, sorry didn't notice that. That looks like an interesting arrangement, however, I suspect that while there is a small "spoiler" above the flap in original 210 arrangement the warm air flow from radiator over the landing flap should compensate pretty much all the lost flow caused by that small upper flap. Or maybe it didn't since they changed it in 410... Other reason could be that more powerful engine simply required more cooling flow which the original arrangement failed to deliver.

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[Krusty]

In youtube video footage of the me410 lowering its flaps, the gap between wing and flap actually looks smaller, and doesn't present itself until full flaps. At other stages the curve of the flap hugs the wing rather tightly.

Just noticed that the other day.

[Volron]

I am curious to how they will model the tail guns on it....

[Krusty]

Just like a turret that controls multiple guns. B-17s and B-29s already do this. The only question is will they work it so it's 1 station or do you jump left/right as if there are 2 stations? (like upper rear deck Ju88 gunners, is what I mean)

[Volron]

That was what I was thinking.  But how will the view work when firing down and to the R or L if it just one station?  Or do you think they will model in 2 stations to deal with this?  I have no clue what the view is like from the gunner's station on a 410.  The couple of videos I pulled up (youtube) don't have the camera where his head would be when it came to using them.  Maybe someone can get down to the RAF Museum or the NASM and hop in with a video camera?   Though something tells me they wouldn't let that happen, IF the turrets are even functional.

[Krusty]

Well as you can see here:



...the canopy extends out left and right in "wings" near the gunner station. And if you look here:



You can see the gunner's station. Ignore the pistol grip, it appears it's folded when not in use. Note the gunsights in each "wing" so that as you tilt the guns down you can still look down past the fuselage. [EDIT: I don't know what field of view you'd get, but the intent for the 410 was to be able to fire below the tail] The outer sights are also inverted to avoid getting in the way when looking down. When firing up you can use the central sight.

I proposed one idea to HTC regarding this. Make it 1 gun stations but with 3 gunsights. You can only see the gunsight when centered on it, so the default head position is where you'd start. Then you slide your head left or right until that gunsight is now your new aiming reference. Because of the reflector nature, as long as you see it on the glass that's where you are aimed.

It was just one idea. I wouldn't mind a left/right setup if that's what they give us. I hope they come up with a more interesting way, though.

[Charge]

What about not sliding but rather "toggling" the view. E.g. if you enter the gunner position your view is through center reticle and if you press either of the other position buttons your view moves to that position but stays there only if you keep pressing that button.

The other way would be to put the buttons as normal position buttons as we have now, e.g. 2=left, 3=center,4=right (1 is for pilot).

Of course there is still the option of making it fully automatic so that when the guns are lowered below the center line the sight view moves to that side to which the guns happen to be more aligned and once you turn the guns over the center line the sight view moves to that side which gun that has free movement arc and vice versa.

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