PBY5-A

[Karnak]

google or yahoo image, that alone could show how they look extremely alike.

They look alike in as much as they are both twin engined, tail dragging prop planes.  Otherwise, no, they don't look the same.

[SpencAce]

well if you take out the rear gunner and round out the canopy to make it less edgey the 110 looks really close to a 410

[Karnak]

And change the wing shape, and make the nose shorter and blunt, and change the fuselage shape, and change the tail from two small vertical stabilizers to a single large vertical stabilizer, and ect, ect.

[SpencAce]

ok then never mind,  i didn't even notice the difference in the tails somehow

[EVZ]

google or yahoo image, that alone could show how they look extremely alike.

Spence ... Don't expect these guys to converse intelligently ... they have taken most everything said about the PBY and it's possibility's for use in the game out of context, just like they took your  statement WAY out of context ... The 410 has certain similaritys to the 110, it's actually part of the ME development series that STARTED with the 110 for a heavy fighter / interceptor. It was probably the most advanced BOMBER KILLER of the war, thus it is both significant and desirable ... wait until you see it & I think You'll agree.

The 410 appeals to the 1st person shooter mentality and the PBY does not ... It's evident that some people feel STRONGLY about the possibility of the game moving AWAY from that Bang-Bang dynamic and evolving a more Tactical and Strategic format that's less oriented towards BIG TARGETS and LOTS OF GUNS ... But the fact is AH is dying and MUST adapt if it is to survive. The PBY could be a step in the right direction ... But meaning full change will ALWAYS be opposed and I think you can see here just how vigorous that oposition can be. 

[SpencAce]

Spence ... Don't expect these guys to converse intelligently ... they have taken most everything said about the PBY and it's possibility's for use in the game out of context, just like they took your  statement WAY out of context ... The 410 has certain similaritys to the 110, it's actually part of the ME development series that STARTED with the 110 for a heavy fighter / interceptor. It was probably the most advanced BOMBER KILLER of the war, thus it is both significant and desirable ... wait until you see it & I think You'll agree.

The 410 appeals to the 1st person shooter mentality and the PBY does not ... It's evident that some people feel STRONGLY about the possibility of the game moving AWAY from that Bang-Bang dynamic and evolving a more Tactical and Strategic format that's less oriented towards BIG TARGETS and LOTS OF GUNS ... But the fact is AH is dying and MUST adapt if it is to survive. The PBY could be a step in the right direction ... But meaning full change will ALWAYS be opposed and I think you can see here just how vigorous that oposition can be. 

oh ya, defenitly,  , its funny actually, i have always thought that AH was kindov dying.  and these guys really have to realize that this is a game, as in like just for fun, its not like you die if u lose or this is a real war, or it is a betting game,, its just ment to have fun, and all these guys take it really to far on all of these things.  like one thing that i really hate is when people say that it would not have REALISTIC role in the game,, (its a game) the hole point is not to be acurate, its supose to be fun. like all these people that say that it should not be added into the game beccause it was not mass produced really piss me off.

[DemonFox]

Alright I will say I am a fan of the PBY so I really do want the PBY added. And it would be slow. But it would be very nice. Would be like this new Storch for observation but be able to find GV and carriers. And to counter the "why not use another Long range bomber" well it's because the PBY was BUILT to find Boats and recon. Other bombers in the war where built to well... Bomb. This PBY would be nice. And to counter the "why not add Emily or Sunderland" well PBY served more. Flew more. Destroyed more. More built. Used longer. PBY from a historical aspect was more prolific then other flying boats.
+1 PBY-5A!!!!

[Karnak]

It would not be able to find boats better than a P-47N.  As a matter of fact, it would be very much inferior to the P-47N for that task.

The Storch can be made to work as GVs are iconed.  Ships are not, they are simply very large on a surface on which they cannot camouflage themselves.

[Butcher]

It would not be able to find boats better than a P-47N.  As a matter of fact, it would be very much inferior to the P-47N for that task.

The Storch can be made to work as GVs are iconed.  Ships are not, they are simply very large on a surface on which they cannot camouflage themselves.

Agreed, the fuel load of the P47N gives it the search range needed as well as 8x 50's to defend itself while flying faster.
Surface fleets also don't have icons, which wouldn't be an issue, also if you get close enough you get puffy'ed from hell so half the time you dont need to spot it to find a Surface taskforce:)

[Ack-Ack]

And to counter the "why not use another Long range bomber" well it's because the PBY was BUILT to find Boats and recon. Other bombers in the war where built to well... Bomb.

Bombers like the B-17 and B-24 were regularly used at maritime scout planes looking for Japanese ships, as their long range made them suitable for the task along with the PBY.

ack-ack

[Butcher]

Bombers like the B-17 and B-24 were regularly used at maritime scout planes looking for Japanese ships, as their long range made them suitable for the task along with the PBY.

ack-ack

Or just go with the PB4Y-2 Privateer, 6 turrets with 12x .50 cals over all, bombload something like 12,000lbs
It was a maritime patrol bomber used in late ww2, not sure how many squadrons were in use, but it sounds like a hell of a better option then the PBY.

I do know a few hundred will built overall (not sure war-wise) and it flew up to 275mph+.
The only kicker was, it did not have turbosuperchargers, so I don't think the plane flew well above 15k.

[EVZ]

Or just go with the PB4Y-2 Privateer, 6 turrets with 12x .50 cals over all, bombload something like 12,000lbs
It was a maritime patrol bomber used in late ww2, not sure how many squadrons were in use, but it sounds like a hell of a better option then the PBY.

I do know a few hundred will built overall (not sure war-wise) and it flew up to 275mph+.
The only kicker was, it did not have turbosuperchargers, so I don't think the plane flew well above 15k.

War Industrys were ramped up and producing surplus .50s and High HP Radials by 1944 and looking for ways to use them ... The PBY Evolved first into a  -REAL- ASW patrol bomber (complete with depth charges) and then into a long range ASW convoy escort, but those planes were to late to see much action.

Now ... if your SUBMARINE ever gets added this variation might make sense. 

[SpencAce]

Or just go with the PB4Y-2 Privateer, 6 turrets with 12x .50 cals over all, bombload something like 12,000lbs
It was a maritime patrol bomber used in late ww2, not sure how many squadrons were in use, but it sounds like a hell of a better option then the PBY.

I do know a few hundred will built overall (not sure war-wise) and it flew up to 275mph+.
The only kicker was, it did not have turbosuperchargers, so I don't think the plane flew well above 15k.

the PB4Y2 is nice and all but it is just a heavily modifyed B-24, and i think that aces high really needs to introduce seaplanes (especially amphibious... caugh caugh PBY5-A caugh caugh) into the game to broaden the horizon of play types

[Raptor05121]

Now ... if your SUBMARINE ever gets added this variation might make sense. 

Last night I had a dream AH added subs. it was pretty cool. periscope and all.

[SpencAce]

 , this is an omen that it is gonna be added in the near future,