Very Insightful BF-109 Vid

[Oldman731]

You found any of that in this thread?

You've missed them?

From Debrody:  "real war is entirely different from this cartoon game. I mean, even a poor stick has hundreds of hours flying and fighting. In the war, the majority were extremely unexperienced (in our standards), so a german pilot who had like 20-50-100-150 kills, was like an unbeatable monster, due to his relatively amazing routine. So thats why i can imagine a real top pilot (Barkhorn, Nowi, Krupinski, Rall, Marseille, Galland or Moelders) succesfully engage more than three-four opponents at once.

From you:  "Some might have yes, but there is one factor that is diametrically different between the Luftwaffe and the Allied air forces: The Luftwaffe (and Nazi Germany in general) nurtured a culture of personal achievement and glory while the Allied air forces were far more regimental, where personal exploits were often frowned upon. Teamwork and unit cohesion were the key words.

As you say the Germans flew until they died, but it is telling how special individuals the "Experten" were that about half of them survived the war despite the incredible odds. Of the top ten Experten 7 survived."


Most of the responses you find offensive were sparked by one or both of these posts.

Just sayin' (tm Pasha).

- oldman

[PR3D4TOR]

You read those posts as describing the Germans as "ubermensch" or their aircraft as "uberflugzeug"?

[4Prop]

German's are such good fighters they were able to loose 2 world war's in a row. I'm thinking they will claim that record for a good while.

not only that but they were once the biggest super power in the world. not to mention the most technilogicaly advanced country in the world.

[Ack-Ack]

not to mention the most technilogicaly advanced country in the world.

A myth really.  While in some areas they might have been a step ahead of everyone else, in a lot of areas they were woefully behind the curve.

ack-ack

[pervert]

A myth really.  While in some areas they might have been a step ahead of everyone else, in a lot of areas they were woefully behind the curve.

ack-ack

Oh really 

[Debrody]

That alien refused to shake hands with Hitler...

[PR3D4TOR]

not only that but they were once the biggest super power in the world.

Germany has never been the biggest superpower in the world. For all of Germany's existence, right up to the end of WWII, the British Empire was the biggest, perhaps only, superpower in the world. 

[Ack-Ack]

Oh really 

Obviously one of the areas where they were "ahead of the curve". 

ack-ack

[Angus]

The Germans never made it to superpower, but as an individual force were still the strongest military power in the world. Until they got beaten, and I would not know who passed them first.
They were leading in many a design, but lagging in some. And despite enslaving the mainland of Europe they managed to screw up.
So much for that.

[PR3D4TOR]

Germany was never the strongest military power in the world in manpower or equipment. Not even close. Their early victories are solely the product of superior strategy and tactics combined with Allied and Soviet ineptitude.

[Angus]

Open for debate. You'd be surprized how sorry the U.S power allone was in 1939, be it in on the ground or the air.
Surely there were numbers, - the western allies had much more "so called" power than the Germans in the beginning days of WW2, but the Germans showed a different muscle, - a combination of plans and forces, and promptly delivered spanking lessons left and right.
I stick to my statement of them being the strongest power alone, - that criteria means complete seperation of course.
Strongest in the air : Yes. Second would be the British
Strongest on the seas: Well, deadly, but the cup goes to the Brits.
Strongest on land: Practically yes.
Strongest on resources: Before Barbarossa probably so.
So, all in all, the strongest "single" force. Swamping up most of the mainland of Europe made the Germans a mighty power which it took several years of combined efforts to smack down.

[PR3D4TOR]

The Battle of France could easily have gone wrong for the Germans if not for pure daring luck and overwhelming Allied ineptitude. In 1941 the Red Army was the largest army in the world with twice the manpower, four-times the number of tanks and ten-times the number of aircraft than the Germans. However, they were encircled again and again and surrendered in the millions (literally). Most of their aircraft were destroyed on the ground. Again it was complete and utter ineptitude on the part of the Soviet leadership and military command. On the sea in 1939 the Kriegsmarine with only 32 warships was no match for the Royal Navy's 272. The British even had more submarines at this time.