Very Insightful BF-109 Vid

[Slade]

Modern 109 pilot talks about the 109's yaw.  It shows just how well AH got this bird right.  Many folks in the history shows dont factor this into their Spit vs. 109 comparisons I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b69pO7538sE

BTW, it took me a few attempts to get the right URL of THIS the vid. Sorry.

[STEELE]

Except one thing, this Merlin powered 109 is comparable in weight and power to a g-14(which ours turns like a dumptruck), and the guys who fly this allll the time say it "turns on a dime"  
Also that it will take on 5-6 Ponii in a fight 

[Slade]

Good points Steele.

Also that it will take on 5-6 Ponii in a fight

I think he was exagerating there to make a point.  ;-)

[Krusty]

I wouldn't trust comparisons of different engined models... The Bouchon, for example, or the Mule, were totally different simply because of the engine.

I have seen that clip and shared it with my squaddies previously. The only thing that makes me wonder is the mentioning of the rudder authority.... While the 109 does have a decent rudder in AH I always get the impression it should be even MORE effective. I think it should be a lot more powerful in whipping the tail around at slower speeds or in off angles. I'm not fully convinced HTC has it right in that regard. It almost seems like the backdraft of thrust from the prop isn't bouncing off the rudder at times, when it could almost turn the plane where it stood on the ground (from deflected prop blast alone).

[Wagger]

Okay from the stand point of someone who is not a pilot or expert on types of planes my first question is who is this guy?  What are his qualifications? And who is this guy Skip who he is talking about?  And what are skips qualifications?

[mthrockmor]

I'm neither a real pilot or engineer but it would seem to me that a longer, more slender body would lead to less rudder control, not more. Torque is one thing though he speaks of yaw to either direction. Torque rolls one way, with the propellor.

Even the statement about out turning a -51, hmmm. And no one plane can out turn/fight/BnZ, etc five or six planes. A zero can't, a Tempest can't, even the mighty 262 is going to get hammered eventually. The very best stick in our game is not going to beat 5 or 6 average joes in one furball.

I don't know though I am a bit sceptical of his words.

Boo

[Debrody]

Boo,
real war is entirely different from this cartoon game. I mean, even a poor stick has hundreds of hours flying and fighting. In the war, the majority were extremely unexperienced (in our standards), so a german pilot who had like 20-50-100-150 kills, was like an unbeatable monster, due to his relatively amazing routine. So thats why i can imagine a real top pilot (Barkhorn, Nowi, Krupinski, Rall, Marseille, Galland or Moelders) succesfully engage more than three-four opponents at once.

[Chalenge]

He is fantasizing about what it would be like to fire guns and it is hardly empirical evidence of any  significant error.

[morfiend]

  the "skip" he's refering to.


  http://www.skipholm.com/biography.htm





   

[ink]

I'm neither a real pilot or engineer but it would seem to me that a longer, more slender body would lead to less rudder control, not more. Torque is one thing though he speaks of yaw to either direction. Torque rolls one way, with the propellor.

Even the statement about out turning a -51, hmmm. And no one plane can out turn/fight/BnZ, etc five or six planes. A zero can't, a Tempest can't, even the mighty 262 is going to get hammered eventually. The very best stick in our game is not going to beat 5 or 6 average joes in one furball.

I don't know though I am a bit sceptical of his words.

Boo

ummmm......not true.......I have killed 5 planes all attacking me by myself.  if my aim was Grizzlike it would be a daily thing

[Lusche]

The very best stick in our game is not going to beat 5 or 6 average joes in one furball.

I'm not sure if you are underrating 'the very best stick' or overrating "the average joe'

[mthrockmor]

I smell DA. We line up Snailman, Grizz, Bruv, Shawk, Krup, Debrody, Ink et al and get five of us 'Joes'...

I'm all over this gig! Bf-109K4 v 5 P-51Ds...who's in? I'm not sure this proves anything but it does sound fun.

Boo

[smoe]

German's are such good fighters they were able to loose 2 world war's in a row. I'm thinking they will claim that record for a good while.

[Ruah]

Unless the 51s make some big time mistakes - and more then a few of them - no way.

[Debrody]

I smell DA. We line up Snailman, Grizz, Bruv, Shawk, Krup, Debrody, Ink et al and get five of us 'Joes'...

I'm all over this gig! Bf-109K4 v 5 P-51Ds...who's in? I'm not sure this proves anything but it does sound fun.

Boo

If all five will try to turn with me, would be fun. I think i could get 2-3 before i would die. With 1k alt advantage in the start i could get all 5 (BnZ the first 3 then turn with the rest, 2v1 aint as bad.) The ones listed above are better than me tho.
But if the ponies play the tag team game (in 5v1? wow) there is no chance.