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Offline 1Nicolas

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Piper J-4 Cub
« on: December 10, 2011, 02:12:47 PM »
Since the Fi-156 Storch Is adding the Observation aircraft type to the game,Why not the J-4 Cub? It is very well known and Is commonly used nowaday's for General Aviation piloting. Anyways, Both WILL NOT BE PERKED PLZ!
Specs:

General characteristics

Crew: one pilot
Capacity: one passenger
Length: 22 ft 5 in (6.83 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft 3 in (10.74 m)
Height: 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m)
Wing area: 178.5 ft² (16.58 m²)
Empty weight: 765 lb (345 kg)
Useful load: 455 lb (205 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 1,220 lb (550 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Continental A-65-8 air-cooled flat four, 65 hp (48 kW) at 2,350 rpm
Performance

Maximum speed: 76 kn (87 mph, 140 km/h)
Cruise speed: 65 kn (75 mph, 121 km/h)
Range: 191 NM (220 mi, 354 km)
Service ceiling: 11,500 ft (3,500 m)
Rate of climb: 450 ft/min (2.3 m/s)
Wing loading: 6.84 lb/ft² (33.4 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 18.75 lb/hp (11.35 kg/kW)
Pic of Plane during WWII 1942 North Africa:
Cockpit:
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 02:21:03 PM »
I vote no.  It doesn't have a rear/dorsal MG for defense.   ;)  AND...  at 85mph it is slower than a 7 years itch, it makes the Stork look like a speed demon.

Let the Storch have a chance to prove that the concept will/will not work.  Then, if there is another FO aircraft that can be added that would add something new to AH then perhaps.  But until then... NO.   :aok 
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Offline 1Nicolas

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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 02:27:25 PM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on December 10, 2011, 02:21:03 PM
I vote no.  It doesn't have a rear/dorsal MG for defense.   ;)  AND...  at 85mph it is slower than a 7 years itch, it makes the Stork look like a speed demon.

Let the Storch have a chance to prove that the concept will/will not work.  Then, if there is another FO aircraft that can be added that would add something new to AH then perhaps.  But until then... NO.   :aok 
Okay then but some people complain that the plane is better than Storch. I DONT know why
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Offline Saxman

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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 02:33:35 PM »
If the concept does work, you've got a couple naval birds that you can add:

Vought OS2U Kingfisher



Armament: 2 Browning .30cal machine guns and up to 750lbs of bombs

Mitsubishi F1M



Armament: 2 7.7mm forward-firing machine guns and one aft 7.7mm machine gun, 2x 60kg bombs

The Kingfisher and Pete were the primary light observation planes utilized by the USN and IJN, respectively. These could be made available at ports and carrier groups (or battleships, if HTC would ever add them. *nudge nudge*) These aircraft could be launched by Task Groups even if the carrier is sunk. However this WOULD require modeling for float planes (possibly some modification of the PT boat and LVT coding).
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 02:43:45 PM »
450 ft/min climbrate is generous at best. Try 200 ft/min
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 03:26:18 PM »
Quote from: Tupac on December 10, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
450 ft/min climbrate is generous at best. Try 200 ft/min

I guess the one you flew didn't have the added manual pedals. :airplane:
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Offline Seanaldinho

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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 03:42:59 PM »
Quote from: 1Nicolas on December 10, 2011, 02:27:25 PM
Okay then but some people complain that the plane is better than Storch. I DONT know why

Better how? :headscratch:

The Piper is slower and has zero armament and while yes the little rear gun on the Storch isnt much it is something. The Piper while having a short takeoff and landing roll I believe the Storch's is better.
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 05:33:59 PM »
I fly a J-3 cub in real life and it tops out a 120 not 85... very nice plane i love to prop start it
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2011, 05:36:02 PM »
Nicolas,

You are requesting two different planes. You asked for the J-4 and posted a picture of an L-4 (military version of an J-3). I don't believe J-4 was ever used by the military.


This is what a J-4 looks like:

« Last Edit: December 10, 2011, 05:49:56 PM by MachFly »
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 05:52:05 PM »
Quote from: Tupac on December 10, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
450 ft/min climbrate is generous at best. Try 200 ft/min
Quote from: MAINER on December 10, 2011, 05:33:59 PM
I fly a J-3 cub in real life and it tops out a 120 not 85... very nice plane i love to prop start it

It is possible that those numbers are correct. Remember it was build in the 30s, there are a lot of different models out there. Also looking at my previous post we don't even know what plane he's talking about.
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2011, 07:40:56 PM »


Theres a picture of the panel in the cub I fly. redline is 120mph.
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2011, 07:49:59 PM »
Quote from: Tupac on December 10, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
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Theres a picture of the panel in the cub I fly. redline is 120mph.

Didn't know you flew cubs.
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2011, 07:55:52 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on December 10, 2011, 05:52:05 PM
It is possible that those numbers are correct. Remember it was build in the 30s, there are a lot of different models out there. Also looking at my previous post we don't even know what plane he's talking about.

He's a young kid whose working on his post count, every few days expect a new post about something we don't need or won't be added any time soon.
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2011, 08:01:07 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on December 10, 2011, 07:49:59 PM
Didn't know you flew cubs.



flying it on Monday if the weather is decent.
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Re: Piper J-4 Cub
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2011, 08:02:47 PM »
probly not with the door open though. Burrrrrrrr.

It's almost kind of silly to fly, except when I have a few extra dollars. I can fly my plane for almost the same price as the cub rents for and I go twice as fast.
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