Do - 335

[Karnak]

    I had always thought the 56th FG was an operational unit myself.

That's 'cause it was.

[EVZ]

he never gave a criteria, but this has been the general lines for adding planes to the game - Squadron strength that has seen combat.

Squadron STRENGTH? Like the TA 152 H-1, which is also in the game? A friend called to my attention that only around 40 were ever produced ... That includes I think the 20 H-O test aircraft that were officially "tested" for around 30HRS TOTAL. The TA 152 scored 4 maybe 5 confirmable kills starting in march of 45. There were never more than 15 operational aircraft available at once ... Only 2 operational aircraft were left when the war ended.

Another fascinating airplane with a marginal history ... Like the DO 335 ...
 

[EVZ]

That's 'cause it was.

Well, it was when it wasn't GROUNDED (frequently and extensively) by the 47Ms engine problems. At one point they were resupplied with old P51Bs (?) JUST so they could remain mission capable. They SAY the victors get to write the history, but I don't think they'll let you revise the facts concerning the P-47M. AHs 47M flys like butter! It's my FAVORITE 47! I don't CARE about it's LACK of notable combat operations. I like the Plane and I consider it an asset in the game. I think the DO 335 would be too!

[Debrody]

It doesnt matter how many times you tell something again and again: the truth remains the same.
This aircraft never been in operational service, nor have been sent out to the squadrons.
Would be better to ask for something what
-fills some kind of hole in the planeset,                                        -the Do-335 doesnt fills any hole, being something simmilar to the 152.
-seen service, was produced in numbers and                               -the Do-335 wasnt produced in big numbers, never seen service
-had a real role in the war.                                                         -it had really no role in the war, being more like just a handful of prototypes.
There are many choices what fits the criteria 1000 times better than the Do-335, being core aircrafts of the given country:
Ki-43 and -44, Jak-3 and -7, Tu-2, Pe-2, La-5 (early model), Ju-188, Do-17 and -217, FW-187, He-111, Ju-87G, Beaufighter, even the Whirlwind or the SpitXII.
Possibly missed out a couple. Anyway, your fight is pointless and wont lead anywhere. Salute

[EVZ]

Anyway, your fight is pointless and wont lead anywhere.

The only thing I'm fighting for is to keep this thread ON TOPIC. Sure seems to bother you and a couple of other put down artists ... don't it ???

I think the number of positive responses is noted ... AND notable ... AH NEEDS some planes that are interesting and different enough to catch the imagination. MORE model variations that provide essentially the same preformace as existing AH aircraft aren't going to cut it. The ME-410 is such a plane, especially if it gets the big gun. The Catalina PBY may be slow and lightly armed, but it catches the imagination. The DO 335 does too ... Just what the Dr. Ordered and no amount of groaning and whining is going to change that.

[MK-84]

Uhh someone mentioned this (debrody)  I dont have ANY data to prove otherwise but I'm going to guess that the Ta152 was probably not similar at all to the 335. even in our AH planeset which I'm certain is how you meant it.

Just tossing that out there...just sayin'

[Karnak]

Well, it was when it wasn't GROUNDED (frequently and extensively) by the 47Ms engine problems. At one point they were resupplied with old P51Bs (?) JUST so they could remain mission capable. They SAY the victors get to write the history, but I don't think they'll let you revise the facts concerning the P-47M. AHs 47M flys like butter! It's my FAVORITE 47! I don't CARE about it's LACK of notable combat operations. I like the Plane and I consider it an asset in the game. I think the DO 335 would be too!

The pilot that was at the Aces High convention in 2001 crash landed his P-47M behind German lines in 1945.  He didn't do this by sneaking it into the air when he wasn't supposed to.  He was on an operational sortie to attack the Germans.

You may note some differences there between the P-47M and the Do335.


In addition, as I stated earlier, if the 3D model of the P-47M was not exactly the same as the 3D model of the P-47D-40 we would not have the P-47M in AH.  It was a cheap addition.  Name the fighter in AH that the exotically shaped Do335 would use any part of?  Yeah, none.

[EVZ]

Uhh someone mentioned this (debrody)  I dont have ANY data to prove otherwise but I'm going to guess that the Ta152 was probably not similar at all to the 335. even in our AH planeset which I'm certain is how you meant it.

The DO 335 isn't at all PHYSICALLY similar to the TA 152, and it doesn't FLY like a 190, or any other plane in the game ... What was probably meant was that they had a SIMILAR MISSION ... Had the war continued, the germans anticipated High Alt B29 raids and possibly similar raids from NEW Russian Bombers in the east. They knew the raids would be accompanied by evolved P51s and P47s (exactly what the allies had planned). BOTH of these aircraft were developed to be superior High Alt Interceptors that could outfly the escorts and bring down the 29s. Does that sound like a plane YOU would like to fly?

[EVZ]

The pilot that was at the Aces High convention in 2001 crash landed his P-47M behind German lines in 1945.  He didn't do this by sneaking it into the air when he wasn't supposed to.  He was on an operational sortie to attack the Germans.

Sure ... He PROBABLY crashed (like LOTS of others) due to the already mentioned engine failures (which all to often resulted in fatalities). THAT is WHY the aircraft were GROUNDED, on several occassions, as NEW problems were being discovered every time an old one was FIXED.

In addition, as I stated earlier, if the 3D model of the P-47M was not exactly the same as the 3D model of the P-47D-40 we would not have the P-47M in AH.  It was a cheap addition.  Name the fighter in AH that the exotically shaped Do335 would use any part of?  Yeah, none.

Exactly !!! The Do 335 is something NEW and DIFFERRENT that fills a hole as a worthy opponent for the P-51. I think the P47C should be in the game too as it was the model the AAF took to England and was produced and used extensively. But I don't think it's going to inspire anyone or impress any NEW players.

[Karnak]

It what universe do you think the 475mph, 4200ft/min climb, Do335 is a worth opponent of the 437mph, 3400ft/min climb, P-51D?  That isn't a fight, its a slaughter.

[mthrockmor]

It what universe do you think the 475mph, 4200ft/min climb, Do335 is a worth opponent of the 437mph, 3400ft/min climb, P-51D?  That isn't a fight, its a slaughter.

The P-51H hits 487mph at altitude, which if I remember correctly was 24,000ft. In any case, I accept the Do-335 isn't coming for Christmas but a fun thought.

Boo

[EVZ]

It what universe do you think the 475mph, 4200ft/min climb, Do335 is a worth opponent of the 437mph, 3400ft/min climb, P-51D?  That isn't a fight, its a slaughter.

Oh, I don't know ... the 262 is also superior, but definately NOT a notable 51D Killer. But, for sure, the Pony express days of invulnerable 51s diving away from the fight unopposed would be over. Think of it as a HORDE BUSTER! Hopefully? it would also end the days of the uncatchable bomber formation that can only be attacked from behind and can only be killed with an artillary piece.

[Butcher]

Squadron STRENGTH? Like the TA 152 H-1, which is also in the game? A friend called to my attention that only around 40 were ever produced ... That includes I think the 20 H-O test aircraft that were officially "tested" for around 30HRS TOTAL. The TA 152 scored 4 maybe 5 confirmable kills starting in march of 45. There were never more than 15 operational aircraft available at once ... Only 2 operational aircraft were left when the war ended.

Another fascinating airplane with a marginal history ... Like the DO 335 ...
 

Ta-152 was in Staffel strength and served in JG-301 towards the end of the war which explains why it didn't enter "squadron service"...hence END of the war. Do-335 never served staffel strength, while JG-301 did.

Ta-152 has far more history then Do-335 or P51-H had during the war, those 20 test aircraft were combat armed and flying combat patrols.
Far different then being being cozy lines testing in England when the war was a few thousand miles----------> way.

[kilo2]

Squadron STRENGTH? Like the TA 152 H-1, which is also in the game? A friend called to my attention that only around 40 were ever produced ... That includes I think the 20 H-O test aircraft that were officially "tested" for around 30HRS TOTAL. The TA 152 scored 4 maybe 5 confirmable kills starting in march of 45. There were never more than 15 operational aircraft available at once ... Only 2 operational aircraft were left when the war ended.

Another fascinating airplane with a marginal history ... Like the DO 335 ...
 

The H-0 and H-1 are almost the same plane. Only small changes were made. There were 57 production H-0/H-1 with an additional 2 152-Cs. The never more than 15 is disputed with it ranging from 15 to 25. Jg-301 was not the only squad with 152s JG-11 supposedly had at least 4. The kills is 7-9. There was more than two airworthy at the end at least 5 were airworthy. This is also disputed because some were obviously purposely destroyed. 3 were taken by the British and 2 by the US. The 3 British 152s were scrapped along with one of the US versions. The single remaining 152 was housed in a airforce warehouse for many years before being donated to the Smithsonian who has it mothballed for now.

[Tank-Ace]

EVZ, you're just not getting the point here.

1) didn't see combat. It was shot at, yes, but the two aren't the same thing.

2) didn't see use at squadron strength

3) Do. 335 was still at the expiramental stage really


Petition Hitech, he might make an exception to his own rules, but for now pretty much everyone agrees that it doesn't meet requirments.


Also, if you want new additions that give something different, try lobbying for some of the aircraft that saw combat.

IAR. 80C
G.55
Beaufighter
Ki-44
etc.