Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message

[Volron]

Hmm...  So, when I up a C.202, F4F-3/4, P-40C and fly over the friendly Capital till I need to rtb due to fuel for NO OTHER REASON than to just fly around, ONLINE over the Capital, I'm robbing everyone of something?  That makes no sense.  Then again, why should I care?  I felt like doing the above and I had fun doing it.  So I am to guess that if a friend and I decided to up from the 163 base in Trinity, and fly around till we ran low on fuel doing formation flying or just simply screwing around, we would have robbed everyone of something?

My point is, if someone wants to fly the rescue mission and someone wants to wait to be rescued, LET THEM DO IT.  Last I recall, it's THEIR $15.


In the end, if it is added, I'll fly a rescue mission every now-and-again.  I would like to see it implemented, but if not, oh well.  As for the score bit, who-...oh wait.  Some people do care.  Nevermind.   (and no, that is NOT directed at anyone here, just a general statement)

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I have been very specific.  This is, again, the position I have stated from the beginning.

It takes players out of the game by having them sit on a hillside for 15-30 or more minutes waiting to be picked up.  While they sit on the hillside they are not participating in the game, which is the fighting, base taking and strat hitting.  It also takes the pilot of the Fi156 mostly out of the game as the Fi156 is, in this context, is not much of a combatant.

This would be fine if there were no reward that encouraged it or made it worth the time other than for the fun factor as it would be rarely utilized.  The moment a reward is added that is large enough to make it worth while to rescue and/or be rescued it would have an impact on the number of players actually participating in the game.

All score, perk and name in lights considerations pale compared to that negative impact on the game.

As I said, you're making value judgments on where people decide to spend their time and your exaggerating the rescue's probable usage in game.  Ridiculous

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the system currently rewards pilots who can RTB with their aircraft and land it on concrete at a friendly base with their name in lights.

what a couple of people here are proposing is that the reward system be changed so that a pilot who RTBs even without his aircraft is also rewarded with his name in lights.

the logical consequence of that suggested change is that all sorties end with name in lights, because the AH pilot always RTBs to a friendly base whether he ditches, bails, is captured or dies. whatever the result of a sortie, you always end up in the tower of a friendly base.


apparently I am also an adolescent/twit/Jealous Jenny/girl/whiner/clueless/crying/petty little gamer because I dont think the wish is a good idea

Really?  Then explain how this is different than deliveries supplies to a FUBAR GV.  He, by all rights is dead and cannot get back to base OR is out of ammo and cannot defend himself...if he gets resupplied, he gets to land his kills AND the supply guy gets perks for the supps that were used saving him.  How is rescuing a pilot down any different?

Karnak and shifty,

How is it different?  Why wouldnt this be considered taking someone out of the game?

[RTHolmes]

GV supplies:

[RTHolmes]

And the bottom line here is that everyone in favor of this idea is in favor of it, because of the ADVENTURE of it. Not the score. The score is merely a way to increase the gamble of doing this. It's a way of adding a danger of loss to the situation.

so if its just for immersion, not for score, then presumably you wouldnt have a problem with the rescued pilot's sortie being treated as a Bailed?



edit: cool, I'm now a Jealous/Obsessive Child too

[Karnak]

Hmm...  So, when I up a C.202, F4F-3/4, P-40C and fly over the friendly Capital till I need to rtb due to fuel for NO OTHER REASON than to just fly around, ONLINE over the Capital, I'm robbing everyone of something?  That makes no sense.  Then again, why should I care?  I felt like doing the above and I had fun doing it.  So I am to guess that if a friend and I decided to up from the 163 base in Trinity, and fly around till we ran low on fuel doing formation flying or just simply screwing around, we would have robbed everyone of something?

My point is, if someone wants to fly the rescue mission and someone wants to wait to be rescued, LET THEM DO IT.  Last I recall, it's THEIR $15.


In the end, if it is added, I'll fly a rescue mission every now-and-again.  I would like to see it implemented, but if not, oh well.  As for the score bit, who-...oh wait.  Some people do care.  Nevermind.  (and no, that is NOT directed at anyone here, just a general statement)

You can fly your early fighter around an unoccupied area until it runs out of fuel, sure.  It is your $15/mo.  The difference here is that there is nothing encouraging significant numbers of people to do so and no changes to the game are required for you to be able to do so.  If you were making a wish thread to be rewarded for that behavior I'd post against it too.

As I said, you're making value judgments on where people decide to spend their time and your exaggerating the rescue's probable usage in game.  Ridiculous

I am yes, and while I am not part of HTC I am well aware that game designers have to make those judgments for a game to function.  Games designed by democracy are rarely any good.

As to the probable usage, without a reward it is very low. I stated as much in the post of mine that you quoted.  I have no problem with that version of the request due to its low usage.  My problem with it is that people want, or will want, a reward to justify the time investment and if there is a reward to make the time investment worth it, suddenly the low usage is far from certain.


re: GV supplies:

Supplies to a slow tank delivered by a fast GV or by an aircraft get that slow tank back into the fight faster than the tank ending the sortie and starting a new one in which he has to slowly drive back to the fight.  It helps sustain the GV fight.

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re: GV supplies:

Supplies to a slow tank delivered by a fast GV or by an aircraft get that slow tank back into the fight faster than the tank ending the sortie and starting a new one in which he has to slowly drive back to the fight.  It helps sustain the GV fight.

Are you kidding me?  There are hundreds of spawns into bases that 10 mins or more of drive time to get to them and same or more for the GV to drive back to land his kills.  You're reaching now...and I guess you don't vote on the a/c development?  Based on your feelings, that is a poor decisions by the owners...lol.  I bet you voted in every case, lol.  You're funny.

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GV supplies:

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Nice post...those folks unable to reason an argument claim red herrings...it's weak because you have no other argument.  Put a fork I this one...he's out of mental capacity.

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so if its just for immersion, not for score, then presumably you wouldnt have a problem with the rescued pilot's sortie being treated as a Bailed?



edit: cool, I'm now a Jealous/Obsessive Child too

Possibly...If resupped GVs are....maybe a new point situation could be developed....RESCUED

[RTHolmes]

...those folks unable to reason an argument use red herrings...it's weak because you have no other argument.

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Lmao!!  You sir, are right.  I stand corrected

[Karnak]

Are you kidding me?  There are hundreds of spawns into bases that 10 mins or more of drive time to get to them and same or more for the GV to drive back to land his kills.  You're reaching now...and I guess you don't vote on the a/c development?  Based on your feelings, that is a poor decisions by the owners...lol.  I bet you voted in every case, lol.  You're funny.

Whenever I have used an actual tank the drive times have been well more than ten minutes.  There are also the added problems that perk tanks have of retreating and "landing successfully" as compared to a Tempest, which can pretty much just decide to go home.

As to the plane polls 1) developer sponsored polls are a separate category obviously. 2) Which unit gets added is not at all on the level of gameplay changes when it comes to affecting the way the game plays.  What real change does the Beaufighter make to the gameplay of non-Beaufighter fans?

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Whenever I have used an actual tank the drive times have been well more than ten minutes.  There are also the added problems that perk tanks have of retreating and "landing successfully" as compared to a Tempest, which can pretty much just decide to go home.

As to the plane polls 1) developer sponsored polls are a separate category obviously. 2) Which unit gets added is not at all on the level of gameplay changes when it comes to affecting the way the game plays.  What real change does the Beaufighter make to the gameplay of non-Beaufighter fans?

The difference is that the owners are more wise than you.  They allow some developer/user interaction because good ideas on planes and gameplay are good for the continued development of the game.

I, for one, am glad they allow some voting.  It keeps the players in touch with the developers and it keeps the game from getting stale.  

I'm glad you don't own the place...I fear it would be terribly stale if you did.

You better give HITech a call and tell him to remove the Wishlist Forum....cuz that's all this is.  Somehow, you've turned it into a jailbreak of democracy, lol

[Karnak]

Wiser than I am?  Well, they certainly know their product better than I do, but.....the position I have been stating about popularity not being a good method for a developer to make changes to their game is a position that HiTech has explicitly stated in this forum.  I have also seen the developers at Blizzard explicitly state the same.

So, I guess in this case HiTech, the guys at Blizzard and myself share the same opinion.


Obviously, as I said, any developer will know their product better than any player will.  It is entirely possible that what I see as bad things for the game, HiTech would see as a good thing for the game, so maybe you will get your perk transfer, name in lights, pilot rescue feature, but if you do it will not be because it was a popular idea, it will be because HiTech and Pyro thought it was a good idea.

[wiskyfog]

Y'all are so amusing....kinda like kids on a playground, tryin to impress one another with your vast knowledge,or beat em down with your replies.