Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World

[Rob52240]

Found a nice documentary on the under-appreciated Su-27.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5VXttYF1A&feature=BFa&list=PL0CD6C0F19F2637AE

[Shuffler]

A real stretch if I ever saw one. While it is maybe the best Russian fighter...... it is very lacking.

If it is able to get in close then it is a handful.

[Ack-Ack]

I think that was a typo...I'm sure he meant to type "the best ejection seat in a fighter".

ack-ack

[curry1]

Take this down before eagl sees it 

[PR3D4TOR]

It's a Russian documentary... Imagine if a U.S. documentary hailed anything but a U.S. product as the best weapon/tank/plane/sub/warship of the world... They'd be tarred and feathered... Then fired, lynched and hung from the nearest lamppost. The Su-27 is an impressive aircraft, and was probably the best fighter in the world when it was introduced back in the '80s. With western avionics and sensors it probably would be the best non-stealth fighter in the world today. I don't know how advanced the systems of the Indian Su-30MKI is, but I'd guess those are the best non-F-22 fighters around today.

[Rob52240]

There is national bias when it comes to making propumentaries on military strength?  Next thing you know American stuff is going to round out the top slot on all of their "top ten best ____ type of weapon series"

NO WAY!!!!

[LCADolby]

The MiG 29 is better looking.

[Tank-Ace]

Gotta say no on this one. SU-27 is a bit..... meh.


@ Rob, I gotta call you on that one. Not much American gets put in the #1 slot for the top ten series. The tank one was the T-34 for example, which I find incredibly unrealistic.

T-34's got the snot wailed out of them by the Panzer Korps, even when only in Panzer III's. Granted most of that was better training for the Germans, and idiotic suicide-assults by the Russians. But they didn't do any better when their crews got better, but the Germans got the KwK 40 on their Panzer IV's.

[Rob52240]

It was more evident before the cold war faded into long term memory.  I still believe it's impossible to eliminate personal bias from opinions on things with so many factors.

[mbailey]

The MiG 29 is better looking.

Agreed 

[LePaul]

Up til a few months ago, you could buy two Su-27s from PRIDE Aircraft.  They sold for 5 mil each

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/own-the-coolest-jet-on-your-block/

[eagl]

It's fearsome but I'd take an F-15 over it, even without AESA or the latest gadgets.

With AESA, FDL, helmet mounted sight, aim-9x, and the latest AMRAAM...  No contest.  Not even close.  And if an F-22 playing junior AWACS is anywhere within 100 miles, no way the SU-27 would get close enough to ANYTHING without being detected to be able to use it's "supermaneuverability" or whatever they're calling it now.

But what do I know...

[Plawranc]

I am going to make a point.

The USA. Builds the finest combat aircraft in the world. Period.

However, they are so technically complex and difficult to manufacture. That while magnificant weapons of war, are costly to maintain and even more costly to produce enmasse.

The Russians, build above average fighters. That are easy to repair, are easy to fly, and you can build thousands upon thousands of the things.

Numbers, above average equipment and logistical replacement. If the USSR\RFED were to be geared for full scale war on par with the USA, the USA would not be able to match it unless it focused on more conventional fighter types such as 16's and 18s. F-22s and F-35s will be far too expensive to maintain and deploy to fight a long term conflict. MiG-29's in exceedingly large numbers would overwhelm US fighter defence eventually.

Eagl flew F-15s. He knows what the firepower of the US military is capable of. But it doesn't count for damn unless you can replenish it, supply it and maintain it. And that is where the Russians and Chinese have the advantage.

[Rich52]

I am going to make a point.

The USA. Builds the finest combat aircraft in the world. Period.

However, they are so technically complex and difficult to manufacture. That while magnificant weapons of war, are costly to maintain and even more costly to produce enmasse.

The Russians, build above average fighters. That are easy to repair, are easy to fly, and you can build thousands upon thousands of the things.

Numbers, above average equipment and logistical replacement. If the USSR\RFED were to be geared for full scale war on par with the USA, the USA would not be able to match it unless it focused on more conventional fighter types such as 16's and 18s. F-22s and F-35s will be far too expensive to maintain and deploy to fight a long term conflict. MiG-29's in exceedingly large numbers would overwhelm US fighter defence eventually.

Eagl flew F-15s. He knows what the firepower of the US military is capable of. But it doesn't count for damn unless you can replenish it, supply it and maintain it. And that is where the Russians and Chinese have the advantage.

Your kidding right? Russian jet engines are notorious POS's and the Chinese ones are even worse. So bad they mostly have to buy from the Russians. The advantage of high tech airframes, avionics, weapons, training, in a modern day air war is so overwhelming there would be no "long term conflict" with anyone we might go to war with. None of your post makes any sense. American fighters are far, far easier to keep in the air to anything made in Russia. I thought we got past this kinda nonsense 20-30 years ago.

Your comparing Russian replenishment and maintanance with American? Are you mad?

[Shuffler]

Early on when the chinese were building license built 27s the Russians admitted the chinese built ones were better quality fit than the Russians build. That has since been fixed.