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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2012, 04:43:26 PM »
http://russiatrek.org/blog/army/abandoned-russian-airbase-photos/

Russian Equipment is top notch alright, here's a Russian airbase practically abandoned and ignored, I've read stories of Su-25 Pilots refusing to fly due to the aircraft not being Maintenanced for years, also fact the Russians did not pay the pilots - they had to wait months to get pay.

Here's some info:
The Air Force continues to suffer from a lack of resources for pilot training. In the 1990s Russian pilots achieved approximately 10% of the flight hours of the United States Air Force. The 2007 edition of the IISS Military Balance listed pilots of tactical aviation flying 20–25 hours a year, 61st Air Army pilots (former Military Transport Aviation), 60 hours a year, and Army Aviation under VVS control 55 hours a year.[9]

In February 2009, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported that 200 of the 291 MiG-29s currently in service across all Russian air arms were unsafe and would have to be permanently grounded.[19] This action would remove from service about a third of Russia's total fighter force, some 650 aircraft.

The list goes on and on, the Su-27 might be a WOO design, however I would not want to be flying one in Russia right now.

Right on the mark !  A pilot with minimal proficiency is not much of a match for one who is turning and burning on a regular basis.  As the saying goes in the fighter business, "Hamburger is still hamburger, no matter what you wrap it in".
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2012, 06:20:03 PM »
Honestly, I would have to guess that right now, the Su-27S, or other limited upgrade version, (not the heavily upgraded versions like the Su-35, or SU-37) is about equal to an F-15 or an F-18.

Fact is that we wouldn't be facing swarms of these upgraded Su-27MK2's, or Su-30's, we'd be facing swarms of the Su-27MK, Su-27MK3, and other rather less impressive fighters.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2012, 08:15:20 PM »
For sex appeal, I'm partial to the Rafale.  Beautiful light fighter.  If the F-35 program fails we should buy a thousand of those.  The US Navy already qualified the Rafale for service on USN carriers during joint exercises a couple of years ago so it would be a matter of contract negotiations and qualifying US weapons for the airframe and software, more than anything else.

Then again, if we're going for the Rafale we might as well buy another few hundred super hornets.  They're technological cousins.



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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2012, 09:28:59 PM »
Honestly, I would have to guess that right now, the Su-27S, or other limited upgrade version, (not the heavily upgraded versions like the Su-35, or SU-37) is about equal to an F-15 or an F-18.

Fact is that we wouldn't be facing swarms of these upgraded Su-27MK2's, or Su-30's, we'd be facing swarms of the Su-27MK, Su-27MK3, and other rather less impressive fighters.

Europe might be swarmed with them, but not so much in the USA.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2012, 11:12:03 PM »
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2012, 10:52:15 AM »
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2012, 11:02:22 AM »
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2012, 11:11:17 AM »
Check you history. At the time of Pearl harbor our army was very small, as was our navy and US Army air force. We were just emerging from a severe depression and if anything intelligent minds were screaming about the superiority of our possible future enemies. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004598.html



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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2012, 02:37:05 PM »
US aircraft are far e better than Russian aircraft AND we have numerical superiority over any other country, including Russia or China.

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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2012, 03:40:04 PM »
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2012, 06:29:06 PM »
US aircraft are far e better than Russian aircraft AND we have numerical superiority over any other country, including Russia or China.
I was gonna say something about 2 billion Chinese you'd have to fight, but i don't think you comprehend the number.
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2012, 06:36:25 PM »
I was gonna say something about 2 billion Chinese you'd have to fight, but i don't think you comprehend the number.

So what's the population of China these days?
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2012, 07:59:29 PM »
I was gonna say something about 2 billion Chinese you'd have to fight, but i don't think you comprehend the number.

Wow! thats a big army. Can they all walk on water too? More mouths to feed doesnt mean your going to win a high tech war. Now "270 million Americans" actually means somthing cause we all have guns.
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2012, 08:56:05 PM »
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Re: Su-27 The Best Fighter In The World
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2012, 09:16:16 PM »
^^


- over half of Japanese military resources were fighting in China.




Are you incorrect in stating that half of the Japanese military resources were fighting in China, the facts don't support your claim but that discussion is for another thread.

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