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Re: Elitism
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2012, 12:38:34 PM »
So because you don't agree with his opinion he's wrong and you are right?

Pretty much Butcher...In societies we do this all the time. Weed is illegal in most states. Get caught with it you go to jail. Some places you only get a ticket. Even states that allow it are harrased by the Feds because they don't like losing power to control what we can/can't do. Used to be Criminal to be gay & in the military. Lots of young men went to military prisons/dishonorable discharged, etc... so right now if the majority think he's a dork, then yes he is & yes we're right & he's wrong...at least for now.  :old:
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2012, 12:42:58 PM »
Pretty much Butcher...In societies we do this all the time. Weed is illegal in most states. Get caught with it you go to jail. Some places you only get a ticket. Even states that allow it are harrased by the Feds because they don't like losing power to control what we can/can't do. Used to be Criminal to be gay & in the military. Lots of young men went to military prisons/dishonorable discharged, etc... so right now if the majority think he's a dork, then yes he is & yes we're right & he's wrong...at least for now.  :old:

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Re: Elitism
« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2012, 04:00:56 PM »
So because you don't agree with his opinion he's wrong and you are right?
That is one piss-poor ASSumption.

I personally see people who are "F**k you, I don't respect you. You ain't done S**t for me to recognize a reason to respect you." as dicks.

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Re: Elitism
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2012, 08:28:22 PM »
Respect until given a firm reason to disrespect...then do as your little heart dictates to ya!  That's what the Duke did. I love one of his movie quotes. "...I don't do these things to others, & I require the same of them".  :salute  :old:
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2012, 02:04:21 AM »
The teachers you decide to disrespect just might have done some of the stuff your "CO" did. Just because they don't live the military life forever doesn't mean they didn't do it.

So this implys that if you didn't lead "the military life" you don't deserve respect.  Really not much better a philosophy than the person you're quoting.

I have a great deal of respect for a great many people whether they lived "the military life" or not.
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2012, 02:11:58 AM »
So this implys that if you didn't lead "the military life" you don't deserve respect.  Really not much better a philosophy than the person you're quoting.

I have a great deal of respect for a great many people whether they lived "the military life" or not.

*sigh* You OBVIOUSLY didn't read the entire thing....or I pray you didn't.


He said he respected his CO because he was a 'nam vet with a purple heart. I used the SAME analogy to prove WHY he shouldn't disrespect a teacher because (as far as HE knows) they didn't serve.


If you would have taken some initiative and read my posts you would have seen that I respect all people equally until they give me a reason to not respect them.


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« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 02:20:01 AM by MarineUS »
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2012, 04:45:23 AM »
Alright. I think I have been misunderstood.

My respect is earned in the sense that you cannot just walk up and say "respect me because I say so". I disliked this particular teacher because of his condescending tone, he spoke down to us and assumed superiority, I don't like that at all. I will respect authority when the authority respects "us".

My CO was a Nam Vet. And did his part. I respect him for that. He had done something for everyone. Now I have respect for a lot of people who aren't in the Military, some of them Teachers. But when people "assume" superiority, and "demand" respect. I loathe and detest it.

I follow the policy of "don't be a dick" in the sense that I don't start trouble with anyone unless they start first. Im friendly with everyone unless they show hostility.

I am polite, but respect is earned.

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yes the words of a boy, considering the age gap between me and the majority of this forum is an average of about thirty years.

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He wasn't the CO originally he was the FSGT (SSGT) when I joined, he took command when our service CO got deployed to Afghanistan. There is a whole different story behind the Cadets in our unit having misgivings about the Staff and Command structure and so forth. But our CO was and is a good man. And while I respect any and all holders of superior rank on principle, he earned my personal respect. I guess there is a difference.

I don't pretend to know anything about this world we live in. I have been in it one fifth of most of the people here on this board. But I say what I think, if you have a problem , direct your complaints to me, without snide comments.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 05:00:57 AM by Plawranc »
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #97 on: June 12, 2012, 08:53:50 AM »
*sigh* You OBVIOUSLY didn't read the entire thing....or I pray you didn't.


He said he respected his CO because he was a 'nam vet with a purple heart. I used the SAME analogy to prove WHY he shouldn't disrespect a teacher because (as far as HE knows) they didn't serve.

No.  I did read the entire post and it seemed to me it was stated in a way the made military service a prerequisite for respect.  Even in your second line above it still comes off that way. 

Maybe instead you should have encouraged him to have respect for his teacher simply for being a good person and teaching hundreds of youngsters to be better citizens while self-sacrificing a potentially higher income in private industry.  It would have made your point clearer.
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #98 on: June 12, 2012, 09:33:03 AM »
There is a degree of respect every human deals with it follows the moral compass, in respect everyone is different. In the Southern USA we were born to respect all regardless of color or background, you respect firefighters, police officers and teachers. What society calls "Noble" positions, a Veteran would be one of those positions that took a very long time to garnish respect - after world war 2 there was no doubt soldiers were respected, it declined over the 60s and 70s, where soldiers were simply disrespected period. There are some notable anti war movies in the 70s and 80s, however in the last decade or so its been turning around big time.

Where you brand the person a hero or not is in the state of mind, some will view soldiers as heroes others will simply view in the complete opposite. Take the milgram experiment for example, it was a social psychology experiment to test a persons moral compass/conscience. The experiment was quite simple as a person
would admin a test to a "subject" by having the subject answer questions - if they were wrong they would be given an electric shock. People would routinely admin higher shocks even though the "subject" would scream in horror, until four verbal commands were said.

I believe its impossible to fairly treat everyone equal as society doesn't lean on it, we follow each other in a straight line and if someone cuts in that line they will anger the crowd. Society taught us to respect all elders, regardless of age and to try to keep a good moral compass.

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Re: Elitism
« Reply #99 on: June 12, 2012, 11:28:45 AM »
Alright. I think I have been misunderstood.

My respect is earned in the sense that you cannot just walk up and say "respect me because I say so". I disliked this particular teacher because of his condescending tone, he spoke down to us and assumed superiority, I don't like that at all. I will respect authority when the authority respects "us".

My CO was a Nam Vet. And did his part. I respect him for that. He had done something for everyone. Now I have respect for a lot of people who aren't in the Military, some of them Teachers. But when people "assume" superiority, and "demand" respect. I loathe and detest it.

I follow the policy of "don't be a dick" in the sense that I don't start trouble with anyone unless they start first. Im friendly with everyone unless they show hostility.

I am polite, but respect is earned.

P.S. (@ Shifty)

yes the words of a boy, considering the age gap between me and the majority of this forum is an average of about thirty years.

(@ Wzl)

He wasn't the CO originally he was the FSGT (SSGT) when I joined, he took command when our service CO got deployed to Afghanistan. There is a whole different story behind the Cadets in our unit having misgivings about the Staff and Command structure and so forth. But our CO was and is a good man. And while I respect any and all holders of superior rank on principle, he earned my personal respect. I guess there is a difference.

I don't pretend to know anything about this world we live in. I have been in it one fifth of most of the people here on this board. But I say what I think, if you have a problem , direct your complaints to me, without snide comments.

ever think the teacher is tired of seeing a thousand kids act just like you?  you respect people in authority because that's what you are supposed to do.   you dont have to like them or be drinking buddys but respect must be there.  the teacher maybe a dick, i had those, then again I respected them because they were my teachers, and because that's what I do.  specially one that has my grades in his hands.  you are young and sooner or later you will learn to pick your fights, disrespecting teachers is not one of them.  if he's a child molester or an abuser either verbally or physically then bring it up.  if you are correct there will be others who soon will follow and he/she deserves to be kicked out.  but if you want to be a dick just because he/she is, then you are in trouble.

I dont go fighting with the police just because one is a dick.  as it will get me in trouble either jail or ticket.  like I said before learn to pick your fights, fighting with your teacher is not one of them anyway you put it.

when you join the military if you ever do.  you are gonna learn pretty soon that there's lots of people in command who dont deserve respect, but it must be given as they are in a position of authority over you.  you dont have to like them but you must respect them.  remember the rule you respect the uniform, not the man/woman.  you respect the position the teacher has, not the teacher him/herself.


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Re: Elitism
« Reply #100 on: June 12, 2012, 12:43:55 PM »
So this implys that if you didn't lead "the military life" you don't deserve respect.  Really not much better a philosophy than the person you're quoting.

I have a great deal of respect for a great many people whether they lived "the military life" or not.

-10 That's a big leap. I didn't read it that way.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #101 on: June 12, 2012, 12:50:35 PM »
Alright. I think I have been misunderstood.

My respect is earned in the sense that you cannot just walk up and say "respect me because I say so". I disliked this particular teacher because of his condescending tone, he spoke down to us and assumed superiority, I don't like that at all. I will respect authority when the authority respects "us".

My CO was a Nam Vet. And did his part. I respect him for that. He had done something for everyone. Now I have respect for a lot of people who aren't in the Military, some of them Teachers. But when people "assume" superiority, and "demand" respect. I loathe and detest it.

I follow the policy of "don't be a dick" in the sense that I don't start trouble with anyone unless they start first. Im friendly with everyone unless they show hostility.

I am polite, but respect is earned.


P.S. (@ Shifty)

yes the words of a boy, considering the age gap between me and the majority of this forum is an average of about thirty years.

(@ Wzl)

He wasn't the CO originally he was the FSGT (SSGT) when I joined, he took command when our service CO got deployed to Afghanistan. There is a whole different story behind the Cadets in our unit having misgivings about the Staff and Command structure and so forth. But our CO was and is a good man. And while I respect any and all holders of superior rank on principle, he earned my personal respect. I guess there is a difference.

I don't pretend to know anything about this world we live in. I have been in it one fifth of most of the people here on this board. But I say what I think, if you have a problem , direct your complaints to me, without snide comments.

Sounds like you were talking about mutual respect. You just missed it and caused people to misunderstand you because you sounded angry & arrogant in your tone. It's difficult to fully interpret peoples intentions on here because of a lack of facial expression & gestures. Often in writing we need more clarifications to communicate effectively.  :salute
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #102 on: June 12, 2012, 01:06:26 PM »
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« Reply #103 on: June 12, 2012, 01:13:37 PM »
elitism isn't about aspiring to be more. It's about condemning those you feel beneath you, instead.


Inspire all the threads you want. I'm all for aspiring to be better/best/god. However, that's not what elitist commentary is about.
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Re: Elitism
« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2012, 02:31:06 PM »
Why is it some folks choose to berate others in a video game? After all it is a video game.

This speaks volumes.

I jumped to the same conclusion about Plawranc as Marineus and others until he clarified his stance. They addressed his comments because he seemed crude and disrespectful to others. Since they are part of that population, they had every right to assume that his disrespect was directed at them as well, hence the somewhat cold yet correct comments.

Your "it is a video game" comment suggests you approved of the behavior we all thought he was speaking of.

Respect should be earned, but in some cases it comes with a position of authority.
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