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[tunnelrat]

Yet I can max out Wings of Prey? Duhh....logic...whut...duuuuh hhh

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That's my game settings. Completely maxed out, 30-40 FPS in game.

And this is a cockpit of a Spitfire II

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Compare that to ours. I can max THAT but I can't max AH?

The fact that you are still running Aero speaks volumes on your performance tweaking savvy.

[guncrasher]

It's too pointless to carry on this discussion... why is it up to HTC to make a game prettier than these barely multiplayer titles out there?  Why not let these multi-million dollar budget firms try to recreate what HTC did over a decade ago in creating a massively multiplayer sea/air/land warfare arena?

There is a reason you are limited to 8 players.

well wop can do it with 30 players, but only from the f3 position.


semp

[titanic3]

when you are having 30 to 40 fps you arent maxing out your settings, you are taxing the hell out of your computer to give you 30-40 fps.  if you were to max out your settings you would be having 59 or 60 fps constantly and not 50 to 60 much less 30 to 40.  you arent even close to maxing out settings in wop.  never played that game but I am pretty sure the max fps isnt 40 and sure as heck isnt variable like 30-40 fps.

I play ah with full settings and shadows at 4096 and it sometimes goes down to 55 fps in heavy ack, that is close to maxing out the settings. if i was to max it out I would have shadows at 8092 or whatever the max is and full frames at 59-60.

It isnt the games that wont let you max out the settings, it's your computer.


semp

  30-40 fps doesn't make me stutter, it's not *perfect*, but it doesn't have to be in order to have no lag/stutter. So according to you, if you don't have 60 fps, you are going to lag/stutter/make your computer explode? I can play Battlefield 3 on medium/high at 30-40 fps as well, I don't experience any lag whatsoever. Hell, you know what? I play Race Driver: GRID at the highest settings, with no lag whatsoever, but when I turned on fraps, it told me I had 20-30 FPS.

Here's a lesson for ya, you don't have to be at 60 FPS in order to have lag-free gameplay. It depends on the game/coding, it can vary from GRID (20-30 fps) or to Wings of Prey (30-40 fps). I don't care what the FPS is, as long as I can play the game the way the designers meant it to be played without any lag/stutter/making my PC explode. If I someone ran a game with only 10 FPS yet received no lag/stutter at all, then should they get a new PC because they are 50 fps away from the "perfect 60"? No.

The fact that you are still running Aero speaks volumes on your performance tweaking savvy.

Uh huh...so let me turn off Aero and magically turn my 5570 into a 7970. What's the cost in FPS? 1? 2? HUGE performance impact here folks. See all those games in the right hand side? I can run them all perfectly. Not at highest settings, but not at the lowest either, just enough so that there is zero lag/stutter and at the same time, not making the game look like Minecraft.

 

It's too pointless to carry on this discussion... why is it up to HTC to make a game prettier than these barely multiplayer titles out there?  Why not let these multi-million dollar budget firms try to recreate what HTC did over a decade ago in creating a massively multiplayer sea/air/land warfare arena?

There is a reason you are limited to 8 players.

Probably because flight sims are not popular at all compared to other gaming titles? Big 3 are FPS, RTS, and RPG. Large companies go out and make games that in turn, make them into multi-million companies. They make games that the majority of the public will buy and play. AH appeals to a small population compared to the millions playing Battlefield/CoD/Mass Effect/WoW/LoL. Even less are more interested in WW2 sims. And even less wants to take the time it does for a complex/accurate flight sim.

HTC is the ONLY company who knows the formula to a good fun, accurate WW2 flight sim. Gaijin/Wargaming knows their formula to an arcade-y WW2 flight sim.

The ONLY reason AH is alive in my opinion is because of its flight models, large arenas, and gameplay. IF, let me repeat that again, IF a WW2 flight sim ever comes out with the SAME formula that keeps AH alive AND have a spectacular game engine/graphics, then AH is going into the trash.

[guncrasher]

titanic3 when you say you play the game maxed out with 30 to 40 fps, that isnt playing maxed out.  you may have full settings but your computer is working really harder than it should to give you those 30 to 40 fps.  if there were a couple of hundred people playing wings of prey you would most likely get fps in the 10 to 20 with a lot of stutters and lag.  which is what happens with you in aces high.

so you comparing getting 30 to 40 fps with no lag to having problem with aces high that has 400 players online, well it isnt a valid comparison.

playing at a rate lower than the refresh of your monitor while not having lag or stutters only tells you that you are really taxing your components to give you the performance that you get.  while it wont blow up your computer it does affect the lifespan of it as your computer is working harder and creating more heat than what it should.


semp

[titanic3]

Uhmm...because there are no planes while I'm playing the singe player campaign right?

Multiple missions involved at least 20+ planes in the air, with tracers, smoke and fire going off left and right. Still I never dropped below 30 FPS. The same situations are in AH, with 20+ planes/GVs in the area yet I begin to lag if I raise my graphics higher.

Taxing my components? I've seen my GPU's temp, I've seen my GPU/Case fan speed. Temp never went above 50C and fan never went past 50%. And this overclocked with the use of MSI Afterburner. Been this way for 2 years. I manually raised my fan speed to 100% to test it before, and I could hear through the case. I have never, ever, heard my fan while playing games, meaning it never got to a point where it was spinning like mad just to keep the GPU cool.

[coombz]

I am in the same boat as titan, running an i7 with 16gb RAM, beast of a graphics card that plays every kind of game (including ones with far, far better graphics than AH - RoF, Wings of Prey, Skyrim, ARMA are just a few examples) at maximum graphics with great frames per second

but in AH if I put on all the graphical bells and whistles the performance degrades, even when there are no other planes around. it's simply bad coding and optimizing. that's one of the things we have to deal with because HTC is such a small company, it's a shame but just the way things are. we all deal with it. just because we recognise and occasionally mention the fact that AH has poor coding / optimization in terms of graphics doesn't mean we are saying we can create a better flight sim 

I still love AH, and despite the better graphics I never actually play RoF or Wings of Prey

[hlbly]

I already said AH is my favorite flight sim, I know, and HTC knows, that AH compared to other flight sims in terms of graphics, is terrible. The gameplay and the flight model is the only reason AH is keeping its players. No other flight sims comes close to AH's gameplay,  but AH cannot come close to any other flight sim's graphics.

I will never understand the idea here that no criticism is allowed . Some people around here jump to HTC defense like they simple minded children unable to defend their position on why things are the way they are . Now had your criticism been "AH2 sucks!" . I would understand . It wasn't . I don't .

[titanic3]

I still love AH, and despite the better graphics I never actually play RoF or Wings of Prey

More or less the same here, the hours I spent in RoF and WoP combined are miniscule compared to AH.

[guncrasher]

I am in the same boat as titan, running an i7 with 16gb RAM, beast of a graphics card that plays every kind of game (including ones with far, far better graphics than AH - RoF, Wings of Prey, Skyrim, ARMA are just a few examples) at maximum graphics with great frames per second

but in AH if I put on all the graphical bells and whistles the performance degrades, even when there are no other planes around. it's simply bad coding and optimizing. that's one of the things we have to deal with because HTC is such a small company, it's a shame but just the way things are. we all deal with it. just because we recognise and occasionally mention the fact that AH has poor coding / optimization in terms of graphics doesn't mean we are saying we can create a better flight sim 

I still love AH, and despite the better graphics I never actually play RoF or Wings of Prey

coombz something is wrong with your set up as seen your specs and it should play aces high with no problems.  I had no problems whatsoever playing aces high with an e8400 8 gigs of ram, and a evga 465 vc.  shadows were at 2046.  only reason I updated to a sandy bridge is because i like making movies and the e8400 was a bit slow processing.  I only have a 2500k right now with dual 465's and 16 gigs of ram with 3 monitors.  before i bought my 3rd monitor I would play netflix on one and aces high on the other.  never had a problem with stutters or anything.  frame rates have always been at 59 or 60.  that compares to about 50 in world of tanks.

semp

[RedBull1]

[zack1234]

I have hd6870 8gig of ram quad core phenom and i cant play with everything on

reflection setting is the main problem.

Then again i have shadows,hi res, grass,bump map etc on with FSP 60.

Shadows on buildings is a odd one and left off

ROF online is very good, but offline missions eat my FSP figure that out

WOP is poo and boring, multiplayer is appalling 

I think there is a relationship between lack of sheep and low FSP, Coombzy agrees 

Then again if i avoid furballs i can max everything out

[titanic3]

coombz something is wrong with your set up as seen your specs and it should play aces high with no problems.  I had no problems whatsoever playing aces high with an e8400 8 gigs of ram, and a evga 465 vc.  shadows were at 2046.  only reason I updated to a sandy bridge is because i like making movies and the e8400 was a bit slow processing.  I only have a 2500k right now with dual 465's and 16 gigs of ram with 3 monitors.  before i bought my 3rd monitor I would play netflix on one and aces high on the other.  never had a problem with stutters or anything.  frame rates have always been at 59 or 60.  that compares to about 50 in world of tanks.

semp

There's nothing wrong with his set up if Aces High is the only game that involves lag even though he can run all these other games at maximum settings. It's the coding, it's the game engine, it's not his i7, 16GB of RAM and monster GPU.

[Wiley]

Taxing my components? I've seen my GPU's temp, I've seen my GPU/Case fan speed. Temp never went above 50C and fan never went past 50%. And this overclocked with the use of MSI Afterburner. Been this way for 2 years. I manually raised my fan speed to 100% to test it before, and I could hear through the case. I have never, ever, heard my fan while playing games, meaning it never got to a point where it was spinning like mad just to keep the GPU cool.

Here's the thing, though.  The point he was making regardless of whatever else has been said, if vsync is on and your FR is not capped for your monitor (59-60), it means something in your PC is bottlenecking for whatever reason.  Your in game settings and/or hardware are not allowing it to reach maximum FR.

I'm used to adjusting my settings to keep reasonable eye candy while maintaining frame rate because my systems are rarely top shelf.  I've found that in this game, shadows at max setting have a huge impact on frame rate and shadows on buildings as well.  Dropping shadows one notch below max and turning off building shadows (maybe shadows on other vehicles too, been a long time since I checked) has let me keep everything else on in the game, running maxed FR.  This is on a mere 2500k, 4GB RAM, ATI5770.

I'd bet if you knocked your shadow size down a notch and/or shut off building shadows it would be instant 60FPS under most if not all circumstances, but I could be wrong.

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

There's nothing wrong with his set up if Aces High is the only game that involves lag even though he can run all these other games at maximum settings. It's the coding, it's the game engine, it's not his i7, 16GB of RAM and monster GPU.

if it was the game then i would have the same problem.  he's got a better computer than I have with a better graphic's card and yet I can play with no problems.  so it's either two things.  computer or connection not the game.  If it was the game it would affect all of us and it wouldnt make sense for ht to make the game so everybody can have problems.  I was able to play this game with everything on and shadows at 2048 with an e8400 using a single evga 465 oc video card.  and I would play aces high on one monitor while watching netflix on the other and never had a problem.


semp

[tunnelrat]

There's nothing wrong with his set up if Aces High is the only game that involves lag even though he can run all these other games at maximum settings. It's the coding, it's the game engine, it's not his i7, 16GB of RAM and monster GPU.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.