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Offline VonMessa

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #495 on: August 21, 2012, 03:00:14 PM »
oh sorry didnt know the huffington post wasnt up to you standards.  how about the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgmvtxfsKHs

baltimore sun

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=293653

west tampa

http://westtampa.wtsp.com/news/crime/136374-cops-man-reaches-liquor-behind-bar-pulls-pistol-bartender

cbs

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/off-duty-police-officer-accused-of-pulling-out-gun-at-farmingdale-bar/

it's a conspiracy the officer was framed he must have not been properly trained in the handling of weapons at the academy  :noid :noid.

and pool nazi's live in every neighborhood, just like we have people like you who like to exaggerate things, we do have freedom of speech after all.  dont you agree?

and vonmessa please remind me where exactly I said that we have low crime in my city?  actually point out where I said we have high crime in my community?  actually point out where I mentioned crime rate at all in my community?

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #496 on: August 21, 2012, 04:48:14 PM »
what if it's the cop who pulls the gun out on innocent people?  you think this guy is the only one?

cop pulls gun at bartender
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/05/ritchie-heffron_n_858170.html

off duty officer pulls 2 guns on unarmed man after argument.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/04/new_orleans_police_officer_res_1.html


and marineus stop using the argument about switzerland or kennesaw georgia.   the reason for both of them having low crime rate is the resident's attitude.  kennesaw georgia already had a low crime rate to begin with, the law was only passed to make a political statement about guns.

here, this is a fair statment about kennesaw.

http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

as for switzerland, you conveniently keep forgetting the statement made by the switzerland native mentioning that it isnt the guns in every house that keeps the crime rate low, but the socioeconomic status of their citizens.  and you already acknowledged that you read what he wrote and yet you keep "forgetting".

they arent ganging up bunnies.  they just think that if they mention it often enough it becomes the truth.

I never said I walk with fear where I live.  all I said at the very beginning is that the only time I have felt threatened was when a police officer looked at me and put his hand on his gun.  it wasnt his hand on his gun that worried me but the look on his face.  i have had police officers point their guns at me before because of misunderstandings or put their hands on their guns when I have gotten pulled over, but none of them had the look that police officer had.

my entire criminal record consists of 1 failure to wear a seat belt, 1 parking ticket, 1 crossing the carpool lanes and a misdemeanor charge of failure to keep my pool clean.  I own guns, 2 of them, but where I live I dont feel the need to walk around with them swinging my hips while "resting" my hand on them.



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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that because there were a few bad people who messed up that I should stereotype everyone in that group. OK. All blacks are gang bangers, all whites are psychopathic killers, all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, all Native Americans want to shoot me with an arrow, all Marines throw puppies off of cliffs.

Why stop using the argument? Because it's true?

And excuse me? That was ONE person versus the hundreds of others who have said they helped. 1 v 100. Who wins? Yeah. Piss off. :)

If it wasn't his hand on his gun, why was it that you could only refer to that motion? You're more than welcome to go back and read what you wrote. You just kept bringing up the fact he put his hand there, never mentioning his facial expression until now. Hmmmm.  :rolleyes:

Where did I say I felt the NEED to carry? For some reason you can't grasp the concept of "I go to the range at random, and it's nice to have." Would you like to call Kirk Hampton, Blake Williams or Kevin Carter? Hell would you like a list of the guys I go shooting with? Any single one of them will tell you the same thing. "We don't know when we'll get to go to the range, so we keep them on us or in our trucks." Maybe it's from being in a farming community where you do what you want to when the day's work is done (whenever it may be) or something just about the community here that prevents us from having a solid schedule.

I don't rest my "hand" I put my arm between my holster/pistol grip and my side. Why? Because in the summer it's better than having my hands in my pockets in the 108ºF weather.

Oh I'm sorry. Does that smell like BS to you, or are you OK with people living differently and having a body language that differs from yours?
Like, ya know, when that thing that makes you move, it has pistons and things, When your thingamajigy is providing power, you do not hear other peoples thingamajig when they are providing power.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #497 on: August 21, 2012, 08:21:25 PM »
cops dont prevent crimes, cops are the cleanup crew. while i totally respect them and their jobs, no one is gonna save me, but me. i don't go looking for trouble, but i can defend myself at any time of day or night! as said before, more armed citizens means less problems.

although homeland security is now buying up the bulk of ammo in this country. wonder what thats all about?

I call BS! 
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/apr/30/chain-email/chain-email-says-homeland-security-purchasing-many/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msyoOduf3Yc&feature=player_embedded
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #498 on: August 21, 2012, 08:25:13 PM »
I know, but people really think it...

"You carry a gun with you?  You must be waiting for something to happen!"

How about NO!

It's akin to keeping jumper cables in the car, in case I need them.  It's a tool, only a tool for my protection.  People just don't get it, especially those who have never had to do so, or those who want to lap out of the government's drink bowl...


Best response!!  +10  :rofl
or a spare tire in your car? I hope I never need that thing...in fact I haven't planned on using it in about 15 years when I was a broke student, but i still have one. The illusion that the police are all that is needed is a crock!!  :huh
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #499 on: August 21, 2012, 08:29:47 PM »
Right!  :)

There are a lot of bad people in this world.  Being prepared doesn't equate to worrying about them.  Situational awareness does apply everywhere.  Worrying does not.



John Wayne taught me when I was growing up, that all it takes is one good guy to stop most bad guys. When the nut cases(Wolves) are killing all the sheople, the citizen is armed & free to stop him because the wolf all the sheep aren't armed.... Some day all you sheep will be glad there is a citizen nearby...I hope not, but probably will.  :salute
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #500 on: August 21, 2012, 09:14:59 PM »
John Wayne taught me when I was growing up...

that's all that needs to be said... now I'm going to laugh uncontrollably for a while... sorry....  :bolt:
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #501 on: August 22, 2012, 12:33:23 AM »
I took the time to learn your language, try to understand your mindset and what is so holy about the 2nd amendment and what justifies so many gunfire dead people. You just classify me as a white flag loving french and feel good about it.

To be fair, your first and third post in this thread included:

What kind of twisted logic is that.
Delusional at best.

Sounds like you already made up your mind and had no desire to understand our point of view.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #502 on: August 22, 2012, 01:43:19 AM »
To be fair, your first and third post in this thread included:

Sounds like you already made up your mind and had no desire to understand our point of view.

Jayhawk, your post outlining another posters comments, exemplifies why 'hot  button' topics cannot be discussed in a rational manner here, as people's emotions are wrapped up in it.. Anyone here who says otherwise is just lying and looking for cognitive affirmation from the majority opinion of the posters here. I'll repeat what I stated before...

This, like most other threads, was just another mental masturbation session, nothing more, nothing less, and to pretend it was anything else is self serving. So take it for what it is and not too seriously.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #503 on: August 22, 2012, 10:50:14 AM »
Jayhawk, your post outlining another posters comments, exemplifies why 'hot  button' topics cannot be discussed in a rational manner here, as people's emotions are wrapped up in it.. Anyone here who says otherwise is just lying and looking for cognitive affirmation from the majority opinion of the posters here. I'll repeat what I stated before...


It is hard to have a rational discussion on these forums because it's very rarely a 1v1 conversation.  One person is going to feel ganged up on or one idiot in the majority is going to yell some irrational BS and get everyone worked up.  I've had lots of good discussions on firearms and concealed carry with people in 1v1 interaction, whether online or in person, it's really hard to do in threads like this though.

It's still really hard to not get involved when it's something you are passionate about.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #504 on: August 22, 2012, 11:41:43 AM »
hmm, ganging up on semp, rational? did semp and those who agree with him change their minds? did any of people on the other side change theirs? Did anyone come to the thread with an open mind to begin with?

This, like most other threads, was just another mental masturbation session, nothing more, nothing less, and to pretend it was anything else is self serving. So take it for what it is and not too seriously.


Go further back, and see the conversation with TonyJoey, and how it was being discussed rationally for a good while.

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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #505 on: August 22, 2012, 11:53:04 AM »
It is hard to have a rational discussion on these forums because it's very rarely a 1v1 conversation.  One person is going to feel ganged up on or one idiot in the majority is going to yell some irrational BS and get everyone worked up.  I've had lots of good discussions on firearms and concealed carry with people in 1v1 interaction, whether online or in person, it's really hard to do in threads like this though.

It's still really hard to not get involved when it's something you are passionate about.

You'll always have someone like ardy trying to steer the conversation away from it's intended purpose.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #506 on: August 22, 2012, 12:24:13 PM »
It is hard to have a rational discussion on these forums because it's very rarely a 1v1 conversation.  One person is going to feel ganged up on or one idiot in the majority is going to yell some irrational BS and get everyone worked up.  I've had lots of good discussions on firearms and concealed carry with people in 1v1 interaction, whether online or in person, it's really hard to do in threads like this though.

It's still really hard to not get involved when it's something you are passionate about.
Agreed, there in lies the problem.. esp topics like this one which have been berated over and over. Its like talking about abortion or other hot button issues.

You'll always have someone like ardy trying to steer the conversation away from it's intended purpose.
Considering all that can be said about this has been said 100x before, one can only reasonably believe that all people are after is affirmation for their beliefs as here groups can resort to 'Might makes right' by dog piling posts...
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #507 on: August 22, 2012, 01:13:59 PM »
Considering all that can be said about this has been said 100x before, one can only reasonably believe that all people are after is affirmation for their beliefs as here groups can resort to 'Might makes right' by dog piling posts...

Through time and personal experiences people's ideas get swayed one way or another. Times change, people change. A discussion so many are interested in, one way or another, is still ripe for more discussion. People have done this for years. It's how people come to agreements or simply agree to disagree... for the time being.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #508 on: August 22, 2012, 01:22:21 PM »
Through time and personal experiences people's ideas get swayed one way or another. Times change, people change. A discussion so many are interested in, one way or another, is still ripe for more discussion. People have done this for years. It's how people come to agreements or simply agree to disagree... for the time being.
well, in most forms of communication I agree with this such as face-to-face, formal writing, etc... but when it comes to political trigger point discussions over the internet, particularly on BBS where the lion share of the users fall into one side of the issue, I have to respectfully disagree.
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Re: Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%
« Reply #509 on: August 22, 2012, 06:37:59 PM »
that's all that needs to be said... now I'm going to laugh uncontrollably for a while... sorry....  :bolt:

John Wayne portrayed good role models...something wrong with that?  :huh
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