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Offline skorpx1

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New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« on: October 29, 2012, 09:58:45 PM »
So as we all know, the Axis tanks are dominant in the GV fights due to superior firepower and armor, now this can be matched by only a few Allied tanks and that number is 3 I think. On the other end of the spectrum, Allied bombers rule the skies and Axis bombers hardly show on the radar. Right in the middle Axis/Allied planes are tied except for one country - Russia. It seems as if we want a Russian plane we have to choose one that either gets us called a LALATARDLOLZTROLLLLLLZ or a smelly Yak. If we're feeling brave then we take the I-16 pea shooter out for a run and hope we don't forget our lube. As a solution we can choose to ignore it like we've been doing and just scraping along but there are some open minded people out there who wouldn't mind a change in the forces. Including myself.


My first wish is this - The British Cromwell tank.

Specs:
Weight   27.6 long tons (28 tonnes)
Length   20 ft 10 in (6.35 m)
Width   9 ft 6 1⁄2 in (2.908 m)
Height   8 ft 2 in (2.49 m)
Crew   5 (Commander, gunner, loader, driver, front gunner)
Armour   3 inches (76 mm)
Main
armament   Ordnance QF 75 mm
with 64 rounds
Secondary
armament   2 x 7.92 mm Besa machine gun
with 4,950 rounds
Engine   Rolls-Royce Meteor V12 petrol
600 horsepower (450 kW)
Power/weight   21.4 hp/tonne
Transmission   Merritt-Brown Z.5 gearbox (five forward and one reverse gear) driving rear sprockets
Suspension   Improved Christie
Ground clearance   16 inches
Fuel capacity   110 gallons + optional 30 gallon auxiliary
Operational
range   170 miles (270 km) on roads, 80 miles cross country[2]
Speed   40 miles per hour (64 km/h)


A speedy tank with an average gun, average armor and a slightly bigger profile than most tanks by about one foot. I think this would make a great new addition mainly due to the fact that it's a completely British tank and totally new. The Sherman VC Firefly is only half-British and is the only tank in game that resembles a small bit of the island who held off Heetlas army.



My next wish consists of two planes. Both bombers, both Axis. The HE-111 and the JU-188

Specs: He-111H6
Normal Crew of Four to Six

Two Junkers Jumo 211F Engines
Liquid-cooled Inverted V-12 Inlines
1,340 hp @ 2,600 rpm


Seven 7.9mm Machine Guns
One 20mm Cannon
Up to 5,510 lbs of Bombs
or two LT 950 Torpedos

Max. Speed 258 mph @ 16,400 feet
Cruise Speed 224 mph
Climb to 13,000 ft in 16.8 minutes
Service Ceiling 25,500 ft

Length 54' 6"
Height 13' 9"
Wing Span 74' 2"

Max. Weight 27,400 lbs
Empty Weight 14,400 lbs

Normal Range 760 miles
Maximum Range 1,740 miles


Second plane: JU-188E1

Specs:
Wingspan   Length   Height
72 ft 4 in      49 ft 1 in    14 ft 7 in
Weight   Ceiling   
     30756   
Crew
4    
Engine
2 BMW 801 D-2, 14-cylinder radial, air-cooled, 1,700 hp each 
Armament
1 x 20 mm cannon; 3 machine guns; 6,622 lbs of bombs 


Now the last wish I have, two Russian fighters. El Yakketh 3 and the LaGG-3.

First up is the Yak-3.

Specs:
Crew: 1
Length: 8.5 m (27 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 9.2 m (30 ft 2 in)
Height: 2.39 m (7 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 14.85 m² (159.8 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,105 kg (4,640 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,692 kg (5,864 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Klimov VK-105PF-2 V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 970 kW (1,300 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 655 km/h (407 mph)
Range: 650 km (405 miles)
Service ceiling: 10,700 m (35,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 18.5 m/s (3,645 ft/min)
Wing loading: 181 kg/m² (36.7 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns:
1 × 20 mm ShVAK cannon,
2 × 12.7 mm Berezin UBS machine guns

And now the LaGG-3.

Specs:
Crew: One
Length: 8.81 m (28 ft 11 in)
Wingspan: 9.80 m (32 ft 1.75 in)
Height: 2.54 m (8 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 17.4 m² (188 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,205 kg (4,851 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,620 kg (5,764 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 3,190 kg (7,018 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Klimov M-105PF liquid-cooled V-12, 924 kW (1,260 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 575 km/h (357 mph)
Range: 1000 km (621 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,700 m (31,825 ft)
Rate of climb: 14.9 m/s (2,926 ft/min)
Wing loading: 150 kg/m² (31 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 350 W/kg (0.21 hp/lb)
Armament
2× 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin BS machine guns
1× 20 mm ShVAK cannon
6× RS-82 or RS-132 rockets up a total of 200 kg (441 lb)






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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 10:01:01 PM »
I'd prefer the faster Ju188A-1 over the Ju188E series.  The Ju188Es were not more advanced that the Ju188As.  The Es came about because the intended engine wasn't ready yet.  Once the intended engine was ready, the more advanced Ju188A series was introduced.
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 10:51:00 PM »
Not sure why people continue to use Wikipedia... but if someone wishes to research for 2 minutes then they shall get scolded.

LaGG-3 had quite a few modifications throughout it times, originally to be developed with a 23mm through nose and twin 12.7's, however the recoil was a serious issue and never added.

Series 1 had 2x7.62 mm and 3 x 12.7 mm
Series 4 had 2x7.62 mm and 1 x 12.7 mm and single 20mm.

Not sure where this twin 12.7mm and single 20mm comes from, never seen any records of it period other then wikipedia. Last version built ended production in 1944 had a single 12.7mm and single 20mm. Early war versions had the same engine problems as Hurricanes/Spitfires - they starved for fuel in a dive. In a one on one match with a German Me-109E4 its horribly outmatched period. One good thing is it was fitted with a M-82 radial engine, which led to the design of the La-5. Problem was once this engine finally solved the problems of the LaGG-3, the La-5 took over production, however it remained in service.

I love early war aircrafts, if I had to vote I would jump all over a Yak-1 or Yak-3. In my opinion I am willing only go so early war - but I would rather fly a Hurricane I then Mig-3 or Lagg-3.


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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 11:11:16 PM »
For the Soviets, the MiG-3 and Tu-2 should be the next 2 aircraft added.

Regarding the Cromwell, it ultimately would be like driving around the T34/76 with slightly worse armor, double the reload rate (same 75mm as the US M4 Sherman), and no HVAP for a chance of victory vs the heavy armor.  I almost think an EW design might be worth while.  Maybe the Valentine or Crusader?  Both could have the 6 Pdr which would deal with the Pzr IV well enough, and if HTC have the 6 Pdr some HVAP ammo it would stand a chance at less than 600 yards vs the heavy stuff.  The Pzr III would be good to add also, but the Germans have plenty of tanks the way it is.   ;)

An Axis bomber you say???  The He111 is the next Axis bomber coming our way.   :aok

 
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 06:41:38 PM »
The He111 is the next Axis bomber coming our way.   :aok


Where are you getting this from?
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 07:17:34 PM »

Where are you getting this from?

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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 08:05:00 PM »
The HE-177 would be a good heavy bomber
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 09:06:34 PM »
The HE-177 would be a good heavy bomber
It was a horrible bomber in reality.  Lets get things that actually worked into the game first.
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 09:29:37 PM »
In his defense, it WOULD be a good bomber, since we don't have random failures in AH.


However, I agree, we should get some more historically significant and reliable things in the game first.
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2012, 02:07:49 PM »
In his defense, it WOULD be a good bomber, since we don't have random failures in AH.


However, I agree, we should get some more historically significant and reliable things in the game first.

I'm not sure how the He111 was not historically significant to the Germans? It was in use throughout the war on all fronts.  Same ord as the B26, same or better defensive guns as Ju88, speed is same of B25, climb rate similar to Ju88, range slightly better than B26.  No, I don't think it will be a dud in the MA's, no more than the Ju88, B25, G4M, Boston, or Ki67. 

Oh... and keep watching... the He111 will be added.   :aok     
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2012, 03:57:09 PM »
SmokinLoon,

They are talking about the He177, not the He111.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 05:56:00 PM »
Yeah, I'm all for the He-111, provided we get later models like the H6 or H11.
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 11:19:52 AM »
speed is same of B25     
I've had the b25 up to 290mph in level flight with full bombload I don't think the He-111 can match that  :rock :ahand
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 09:59:17 AM »
I've had the b25 up to 290mph in level flight with full bombload I don't think the He-111 can match that  :rock :ahand

FWIW, I just upped a B25C with full fuel and 3k ords and the fastest I could get was 279mph ( w/ MIL power) at it "prime" altitude of 14,500ft.  Weight was 32,200 lbs.  That is as fat as it can get and the fastest it can get under those circumstances.  The chart shows 285-ish when the B25C has a weight of 28,000 lbs. 

The He111 is shown to be able to fly 273 mph when loaded to 26,000 lbs which is a typical combat loading, but not max evidently.  My sources are not accurate enough to give me specifics as to what exact weights are with specific loadings, only end result weights are listed.  Evidently the He111 stopped using the internal bay to carry the 8/50 kg bombs and instead used external mounts to carry 4/500kg or 4/250kg bombs instead as a "standard" load out.     
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Re: New Allied Tanks, Axis Bombers and Russian Fighters.
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 12:29:29 PM »
So as we all know, the Axis tanks are dominant in the GV fights due to superior firepower and armor, now this can be matched by only a few Allied tanks and that number is 3 I think. On the other end of the spectrum, Allied bombers rule the skies and Axis bombers hardly show on the radar. Right in the middle Axis/Allied planes are tied except for one country - Russia. It seems as if we want a Russian plane we have to choose one that either gets us called a LALATARDLOLZTROLLLLLLZ or a smelly Yak. If we're feeling brave then we take the I-16 pea shooter out for a run and hope we don't forget our lube. As a solution we can choose to ignore it like we've been doing and just scraping along but there are some open minded people out there who wouldn't mind a change in the forces. Including myself.






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