HTC Overmodeled the Brewster!

[MrRiplEy[H]]

<Shrug> It's the exact same Motor in the F3F-3  ...some how the B-239 version it makes 50hp more power and does it indefinitely.  Other planes <B-18, CW-21, P-36 and the DC-3 ...  etc> the motor was in when tested didn't make the Estimated Max Hypothetical HP your #113a "It's a Guess" document has to say.  

Either way....the plane didn't fly around like a Bee on its max take off setting of (8-950hp) 100% of the time.. actually it didn't do it for more than 5 mins!

 

*cough* Export version *cough* so it wasn't the same exact engine. The export version was rated for 1000hp end of story.

You're ignoring that the indefinately at 100% issue touches practically all planes in AH2 but that does not surprise me.

[Karnak]

*You're ignoring that the indefinately at 100% issue touches practically all planes in AH2 but that does not surprise me.

Very few aircraft in AH are allowed to run indefinitely at a 5 minute limit as the B-239 is.  Most aircraft have their short duration limit restricted to 5 or 10 minutes.

For example, Merlin Spitfires in AH are allowed to run indefinitely on their 30 minute limit and 5 minutes on their 5 minute limit.

[B4Buster]

The interesting thing was that Karhunen said that the plane was a bit better to fly with bent wings... AFAIK that is a somewhat undiscovered field of aerodynamics as the wings are much easier and cheaper to manufature from straight spars so it is possible that such feature has not been even examined thoroughly.

-C+

Very interesting. Perhaps a little dihedral made it a bit more stable? 

[Wmaker]

Very few aircraft in AH are allowed to run indefinitely at a 5 minute limit as the B-239 is.  Most aircraft have their short duration limit restricted to 5 or 10 minutes.

For example, Merlin Spitfires in AH are allowed to run indefinitely on their 30 minute limit and 5 minutes on their 5 minute limit.

F4F-4 is one, Spit14 is one and then there are plenty that run indefinitely at a 15min limit like several Allison birds.

This whole "discussion" is getting beyond silly. It is a modeling decision made by HTC and nothing Brewster-specific.

[Karnak]

F4F-4 is one, Spit14 is one and then there are plenty that run indefinitely at a 15min limit like several Allison birds.

This whole "discussion" is getting beyond silly. It is a modeling decision made by HTC and nothing Brewster-specific.

The unusual bit is that the Brewster and F4F get to run a 5 minute limit indefinitely, which is odd as it is their highest setting.  The other aircraft that run indefinitely do so on a setting below their highest setting.  While this does make their MIL a bit better than it should, it has no effect on their WEP or their WEP being limited.  Full time WEP and indefinite MIL being better than it should are really two separate issues.

Functionally the Brewster and F4F (FM2?) get to run on WEP 100% of the time.  Personally, if it were up to me I would give the Brewster and F4F a 5 minute WEP and reduce the MIL settings on the Spitfire Mk XIV and other aircraft with MIL settings based on short time limited settings.

[Wmaker]

Personally, if it were up to me I would give the Brewster and F4F a 5 minute WEP and reduce the MIL settings on the Spitfire Mk XIV and other aircraft with MIL settings based on short time limited settings.

That's fine as an opinion but like I've said before it would cause more problems than it would solve. Where do you draw the line on what is a "short time limited setting" and what is not? Allisons would get to run their 15mins indefinately because they have 5min WEP-limit above it?

HTC has clearly chosen to time-limit which are clearly called/considered emergency power by the manufacturer/service branch. One can disagree with that choice all they like, that alone won't change it in anyway though.

Anyway, there's one inconsistency to this that I've noticed compared to the B239/Spit14/F4F-4 and that is a P-39Q which can't run its 5min take-off limit indefinitely in AH. And before anyone starts, that is by definition an inconsistency not the rule. So, to make it consistent with the rest of the planeset its max. non-WEP setting should be raised from 44.5HGin/1125hp to 50.5HGin/1200hp.

[Karnak]

I would go for 30 minute or longer settings for MIL.

[bozon]

That's fine as an opinion but like I've said before it would cause more problems than it would solve. Where do you draw the line on what is a "short time limited setting" and what is not? Allisons would get to run their 15mins indefinately because they have 5min WEP-limit above it?

Easy, the 15min limit will over-heat the engine at a 1/3 of the rate that the current WEP does.
This means that you will not be able to fly at "full throttle" (in game terms: throttle forward, not hitting the WEP botton) 100% of the time. I would be all for it. My best guess: HT will object to this saying that this is an unneeded complication that will confuse players. He would not be entirely wrong.

[Wmaker]

HT will object to this saying that this is an unneeded complication that will confuse players. He would not be entirely wrong.

Been my point all along regarding this whole issue.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Very few aircraft in AH are allowed to run indefinitely at a 5 minute limit as the B-239 is.  Most aircraft have their short duration limit restricted to 5 or 10 minutes.

For example, Merlin Spitfires in AH are allowed to run indefinitely on their 30 minute limit and 5 minutes on their 5 minute limit.

That's because they had WEP, brewster, Yaks etc. did not. Spits afaik couldn't run at 100% non-wep throttle indefinately either.

Anyway the ridiculousness of the brewster always makes me laff when I run down all the runstangs with it. They try all they can but I just hit X and catch them 

[Karnak]

That's because they had WEP, brewster, Yaks etc. did not. Spits afaik couldn't run at 100% non-wep throttle indefinately either.

Anyway the ridiculousness of the brewster always makes me laff when I run down all the runstangs with it. They try all they can but I just hit X and catch them 

Spits had different time limitations depending on the boost setting.  What is used in AH for unlimited MIL was a 30 minute limit in the pilot's handbooks.

In actuality the Merlin could be run at WEP until it ran out of fuel as it was not an additive based WEP like MW50 on some German fighters.

[Ardy123]

I think the Brewster receives too much credit for the fins abilities. The fins also conducted a good ground campaign against the Russians. The credit belongs to the Finish people and their training, etc... not the equipment.

[JUGgler]

I think the Brewster receives too much credit for the fins abilities. The fins also conducted a good ground campaign against the Russians. The credit belongs to the Finish people and their training, etc... not the equipment.

Actually probably more to the horrible ability of the Russian commanders, troops and airmen from what I've learned! A few years later the more experienced Russians mauled the Finns!

Lets not forget, Brewsters vs mostly lumbering biplanes and I16s

Not trying to take anything from the obvious heroism of the Finnish defenders!


JUGgler

[zarkov]

Lets not forget, Brewsters vs mostly lumbering biplanes and I16s

Those biplanes weren't so lumbering.

Finnish B-239 ROE's against the Soviet biplanes like the I-153 was to BnZ because the biplanes could out-turn them.

So...the answer to the overmodeled B-239 is obvious...model the I-153!  Then we'll get a plane that can turn inside the Brewster!

[Wmaker]

A few years later the more experienced Russians mauled the Finns!

Of course VVS massively outnumbered FiAF during both wars. But per engagement basis and looking at the exchange ratios, the above is complete and utter nonsense.

Lets not forget, Brewsters vs mostly lumbering biplanes and I16s

I-153 might be called many things but its hard to think of a poorer choice of word than "lumbering". The first inline engined monoplanes came to the front very early on.

You said "what you've learned". Doesn't seem that you've really learned anything at all. Maybe you should actually try and read something about the subject?