bomb aiming ?????????

[bustr]

For several years now I've watched bombers drop their load into a pickle barrel on demand from 10k and up. I've listened to bomber pilots talk each other through their passes and watched accuracy that was only available recently with lazer guided JDAM munitions. I've listened to and watched bomber pilots at 12k ask for directions to aim at a single Wirbel on a GV base taking in info from fighters dodging it's fire to line up and pinpoint pickle it. And I've gunned for bomber pilots doing that crowing about how the GV's didn't stand a chance with them bombing form 10-12k

Last night I was in a wirbel as a box of lancs at 12k lined up on me and released their load. From past experience once I heard the bombs the wirbel wasn't fast enough to get me out of the dispersion range if the whole stick was released. There were 4 of us in wirbels sitting in the general dispersion area. We all said our goodbyes and waited. Experience from years of being bombed told all of us we were screwed. The whole bomb stick impacted in a perfect track to have taken us out 200 yards to the right of our location. The wind worked exactly like all reports from WW2 described wind effecting falling bombs.

Why?? Unlike modern JDAM munitions which our bombing acted like until the wind was turned on. Our bombs are General Purpose dumb bombs that can be pushed around by wind.

1.- If a bug exists with the wind correction in the bomb sight HiTech will fix it.
2.- If a bug exists in the heads of bomber pilots to correctly using the bomb sight. That's no different than how we have a small cadre of Uber fighter pilots in the MA who look on the rest of us as targets and constantly demonstrate that opinion. They will rise to the challenge or become GV spawn campers while others bomb them who learned how to use the bomb sight.

Before the wind got turned on our bomber pilots were dropping JDAM munitions in a WW2 combat simulator.

[Karnak]

bustr,

Once again, you realize the end result of that is that bombers cease to be used as level bombers, right?  We've been through it before, and a much easier to manage change at that, and it absolutely killed the use of bombers.

If you really want just mass P-51 raids, this is one way to encourage that.

Also, I highly doubt the wind would be strong enough to push 1000lb bombs 600ft off target when dropped from 12,000ft (remember, that is only 2,000ft of wind shear).

[Lusche]

Now moved to Help & Training... interesting 

[Karnak]

Now moved to Help & Training... interesting 

I wonder if Skuzzy read the thread or just the title?

[eeyore]

 

As a frustrated fighter pilot, I use to fly the bombers because they were easy. I could hit targets with accuracy that was extremely unrealistic. Yes, I was a bomb tard that porked ords, hit town centers for points and all the things that bomb tards are accused of doing.

I hope the wind is NOT a bug. I was confused and frustrated at first, until I found out that wind was enabled and then it was a challenge for me. Sure, my bomber score and accuracy will suffer, but I think it makes for a better game. Over time, the bomber pilots and squads will adjust, and accuracy will improve. 

[Karnak]

Over time, the bomber pilots and squads will adjust, and accuracy will improve. 

They didn't last time.  Last time they just switched to more effective tactics, like suiciding Typhoons into their targets.

[eeyore]

Unfortunately we cannot stop people from gaming the game. There are some fighters that are easy to fly and others that take time to learn how to fly. I am not very good at flying the P47, but I enjoy trying (no matter how often I curse when I get shot down).

[EsmeII]

I'm not seeing any great problem, except in the minds of those who don't understand tachometric bombsights and don't want an explanation in more than one sentence.  I'm not unhappy that pinpoint drops in level bombers is now nigh on impossible - if they can just reduce the effectiveness of JABOing against some targets (particularly radar) and make area bombing more rewarding (when it hits) that'd be good too.

I do think that it'd have been better to start with less strong winds, say 5mph, then crank it up by 5mph per week to see how well people adjust. Or even have each wind layer be 5mph faster than the one below (which is realistic) so there;'d be layers of 5, 10, 15 and 20mph.   I also suspect that the effect of the wind on bombs might be a bit overdone, but on the whole, I like the wind being turned on. It'd be nice to have, say 5mph up to 10K, then 10mph 10-14K, 15mph 14-18K, and 20mph above 18K.

Esme

[phatzo]

I wonder if Skuzzy read the thread or just the title?

it should have been moved to bugs

[Dragon Tamer]

Unfortunately we cannot stop people from gaming the game. There are some fighters that are easy to fly and others that take time to learn how to fly. I am not very good at flying the P47, but I enjoy trying (no matter how often I curse when I get shot down).

The P-47 is the plane that I'm obsessing over right now. It's such a challenging plane to fly (though not quite as challenging as the 38). It carries a good bomb load, has a LOT of bullets, and it drives people up the wall when you dump ords and pull a few ACMs with their spit before shooting them down.

As to the subject of wind... if it is a bug with the bomb sites, then I'm sure HTC is working it out. I have a super secret calibration method that has always worked, I will test it and share if it works... or maybe just keep it to myself 

As for the OP, if you are interested in a manual my squad has one from years ago that should be valid now that wind has been added back into the game. If you are interested, I will PM the link to the page.

[HornetUK]

I totally agree that bombing from high alt you should not be able to just drop you bomb like a laser guided bomb, Hay I am a bomber pilot and I think that is wrong. My point of view is fine put wind into the game but like with a real bomb site give us some sort of mechanism at least have a good chance to hitting a target. I am all for realism and I know certain people are going to hate me for saying this but it is just my opinion but this is not a true flight sim anyway, it is a game for everyone to play pilots and non pilots. Who is going to go on a 1 hour flight to a target to do high alt bombing like in a historical way if your chances of hitting the target are slim. When it is your job and you are fighting for something you will. but when it is a game..... well I think you all get the idea. I think and hope it is a error because where I can understand alteration in bombing to make it more difficult is right I think this goes a little to far.

[RotBaron]

What was the point here? Make the game more difficult for the guys who probably get the least enjoyment out of the game? At least thats the way it is for me, sorry if I assume incorrectly for you, but for the most part I don't up bombers for fun, I do it for the strategic value. It takes too long to accomplish anything for me to call it fun. I understand irl there is wind, irl there are a lot of things we don't have in this game.   

I do see one result here that might have a good impact. A lot of guys who talk about their score may have to shut it since they don't have bombers to beat up on very much anymore.

[HornetUK]

Oh I find it fun and strategic. Just making the point

[FLS]

I set the wind in the Training Arena to match the Late War Arena settings. You'll likely need to use the air spawn at the 20k field A22, and the 30K fields A3 and A128. 

[The Fugitive]

I didn't do any bomb runs last night, but I did look at the gauges/info about the wind on the clipboard. It gives you the heading the speed and the cross wind data. It would seem to me that some enterprising pilot (read person with out a life  ) will soon have a chart listing how much you lead or offset your drop going by that data. It looks like it is just a matter of figuring how how to plug in the data.

Any one good at building apps?