Pilot Wounds BS

[SilverZ06]

A direct hit from a cannon anywhere on the pilot's body wouldn't result in a
'pilot wound'. It would result in a 'pilot dead'.

Not True! Have you not seen the movie Red Tails.......

[titanic3]

A direct hit from a cannon anywhere on the pilot's body wouldn't result in a
'pilot wound'. It would result in a 'pilot dead'.

I thought it was common knowledge already?...I'm talking about hits from cannon rounds *near* the cockpit that sometimes results in a PW. Which does happen in AH.

[Arlo]

I thought it was common knowledge already?...I'm talking about hits from cannon rounds *near* the cockpit that sometimes results in a PW. Which does happen in AH.

Which argues for PWs being more common. Alas, not every inch of even the most armored
aircraft is armored.

[The Fugitive]

I too, have way to many pilot wounds in almost anything you want to fly!!! My problem with the Aces High programming is just this: A few little specks of blood on wind shield, 7 blackouts and dead! A medium amount of blood on windshield, 7 blackouts and dead! A lot of blood on windshield, 7 blackouts and dead! Anybody see anything wrong with these 3 examples of pilot wounds?
Of course I have no idea what the parameters are for pilot wounds in this game, but I doubt its anywhere close to real life.

Blood on the screen is just a graphic. I do NOT believe it has anything to do with the servility of the wound. The black outs and eventual death also have a randomeness to them. Sometime you can fly a sector or two, other time you can't.

after jaboing CV, Field and Town ack all weekend I received 1 pilot wound. Y'all might want to change your tactics.

BINGO!!!! We have a winner!!!

I like to fly the jugs and while I don't spend a ton of time in them I don't see that many pilot wounds. Avoid HOing

[coombz]

"There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage."
SlapShot

[Ack-Ack]

I seem to get pilot wound when I'm looking over my shoulder checking my six.

ack-ack

[LilMak]

I have to disagree with you Tex. Since the jug damage model was reworked (thank goodness) damage seems a lot more random. The failing of the damage model used to be the main tank which sprung a leak or caught on fire if a round passed within 50 yards of any point on the plane. I suspect your PW issues may be a technique thing. Even in a Jug bombers need to be approached carefully. Once you get it down, it gets hard for buff gunners to do much damage to ya.

This tour I've killed 14 B-17s, 11 Lancs, a B24, and a Betty without a single loss.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Tex,
The planes are tough...not the pilots. It's a plexiglass bubble protecting you from 23 .50cal Machine guns. Have you ever seen what a .50 cal will do to an engine block or to concrete? Imagine what 1 will do to a plastic bubble. Now imaging what 600 rounds per minute X 23 will do to a plastic bubble and the pilot inside. The "damage model" models the pilot in his cockpit. If the bullet hits you, then you are wounded or killed. It has nothing to do with the toughness of the plane. Just because the wings and tail can absorb a lot of rounds, doesn't mean the pilot can. The buffs aren't shooting through tthe wing to get to the pilot. They are shooting through the canopy. Canopy isn't tougher than other canopies.

Hunt on  

This is where it gets wrong. Realistically speaking there should never be a situation where all 23 buff gunners attack a single target with perfect convergence. The buff guns are way too leathal compared to real world where buffs were nothing else but sitting ducks at the hands of attacking fighters.

In real life only a few of the gunners would even see the attacker let alone be able to place any accurate fire on it, the rest would keep scanning their sectors for additional attackers.

[Lusche]

The buff guns are way too leathal compared to real world where buffs were nothing else but sitting ducks at the hands of attacking fighters.

Which is exactly what they are in AH.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Which is exactly what they are in AH.

Tell that to 99900 and many others. I remember this one high alt buff run where I killed 2x262s, 1x163 and 1xta152 in a single run and I never fly buffs so I wasn't exactly the most experienced gunner in the world.

Buffs are total deathstars even in noob hands let alone people who practice gunning on them. I could get kills with buffs easily even though just a couple of months ago I learned that you need to press N to fire all guns, joystick wasn't enough

[Lusche]

Tell that to 99900 and many others.

That's as if you would chose the best fighter pilot of AH to prove how overmnodeled fighters are

Buffs are total deathstars even in noob hands

Nonsense. 

Noobs just die in droves in bombers. If bombers where that deadly even in the hand of n00bs, why does they A2A k/D doesn't reflect it? I mean, they should at least shoot down as many fighters as they are shot down by them?

Not only the proverbial "noob", but also the average player has difficulties to hit any attacking fighter unless he's strictly coming in from 6 o clock. Which is unfortunately the place to attack from for the vast majority of AH fighter pilots. (But even then most bombers don't survive for long). When you see 3 fighters hunt down the ubiquitous 10k Lancaster, you can almost guarantee that all three will just hover at the Lancs six instead of taking advantage of the weak armament towards all other angles.
Come in from an off angle, and your survival prospects as a fighter rise almost exponentially. Players like Triple Nine who can "reach out and touch" you at any angle are very rare.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

That's as if you would chose the best fighter pilot of AH to prove how overmnodeled fighters are

Nonsense. 

Noobs just die in droves in bombers. If bombers where that deadly even in the hand of n00bs, why does they A2A k/D doesn't reflect it? I mean, they should at least shoot down as many fighters as they are shot down by them?

Not only the proverbial "noob", but also the average player has difficulties to hit any attacking fighter unless he's strictly coming in from 6 o clock. Which is unfortunately the place to attack from for the vast majority of AH fighter pilots. (But even then most bombers don't survive for long). When you see 3 fighters hunt down the ubiquitous 10k Lancaster, you can almost guarantee that all three will just hover at the Lancs six instead of taking advantage of the weak armament towards all other angles.
Come in from an off angle, and your survival prospects as a fighter rise almost exponentially. Players like Triple Nine who can "reach out and touch" you at any angle are very rare.

Lancs are easy kills for anyone, try the same for B24 or B17 for example. The concentrated fire from all the guns is so insanely effective that it saws off the wing in 1 hit.

I'd take 2 vs 1 in fighters any day instead of attacking a lone fleet of buffs. Unless I'm flying some true cannon monster I'm just going to let the buff pass, no use to end your sortie to a surefire oil / radiator loss or worse.

[Lusche]

Lancs are easy kills for anyone, try the same for B24 or B17 for example.

I did that, a couple of thousand times. Once you are attacking off angle, the probability of being shot down diminishes greatly. It's way much harder for a bomber pilot to hit someone coming down on him from 1 o clock high that for that fighter to hit the bomber. High closure speed, rapidly changing angles and easy to get lost when tracking the fighter.

I'm wasn't an avid buff hunter only during all those years, but flying a lot of bomber sorties myself. I'm certainly an above average buff pilot and gunner myself. I guess that something like 9 out of 10 fighters I shot down were simply creeping up my six o clock. Once I saw a fighter overtaking me and setting up a non-conventional (everything but 6 o clock) attack, I knew I was screwed. I was almost always right.

And going for a non-6 attack has not even much to do with skill. It's simply a descision that mostly being born out of either ignorance or impatience.


And I have to repeat it, even though the majority of AH fighter jocks insists on the 6 o clock attack, the A2A K/D of the bombers are nowhere near anybody would expect from a term like "deathstar, even with noobs flying it". I would expect at least a 1-1 performance.
Of course, the B-29 is the sole exception of that, for obvious reasons.

[Grayclif]

Don't put yourself in a position to get wounded. That should fix the problem.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I did that, a couple of thousand times. Once you are attacking off angle, the probability of being shot down diminishes greatly. It's way much harder for a bomber pilot to hit someone coming down on him from 1 o clock high that for that fighter to hit the bomber. High closure speed, rapidly changing angles and easy to get lost when tracking the fighter.

I'm wasn't an avid buff hunter only during all those years, but flying a lot of bomber sorties myself. I'm certainly an above average buff pilot and gunner myself. I guess that something like 9 out of 10 fighters I shot down were simply creeping up my six o clock. Once I saw a fighter overtaking me and setting up a non-conventional (everything but 6 o clock) attack, I knew I was screwed. I was almost always right.

And going for a non-6 attack has not even much to do with skill. It's simply a descision that mostly being born out of either ignorance or impatience.


And I have to repeat it, even though the majority of AH fighter jocks insists on the 6 o clock attack, the A2A K/D of the bombers are nowhere near anybody would expect from a term like "deathstar, even with noobs flying it". I would expect at least a 1-1 performance.
Of course, the B-29 is the sole exception of that, for obvious reasons.

Kills do not tell the whole story. The majority of times when I've confronted buffs I've had to rtb due to radiator or oil hit 'magic bb'. Since most buff sorties happen on friendly fields its simple to glide to base. That doesn't show as a kill even though the result of an attack might be forced rtb 9 times out of 10.