F4U-4 vs. other low ENY

[RotBaron]

Included:

Climb Rate (military)
Climb Rate (WEP)
Speed (military)
Speed (WEP)

Did not include:

Acceleration
Control Surface Effectivness
Engine HP
Engine Torque
Guns Ballistics
Guns Hitting Power
Guns ROF
Drag Coefficient
Roll Rate
Turn Rate (no flaps)
Turn Rate (flaps)
Turn Radius (no flaps)
Turn Radius (flaps)

And you can make a clear analysis?  You sir are an aeronotic genius!

The aspects I stated objectively at the beginning of the post used the ones you mentioned, yes, correct. ALSO, I included in a subjective comparative analysis in  a few statements pertaining to all of those you list that you say I did not include.  However, I did include statements about flaps, which you say I did not (but here's some you must of missed.) I did include statement about lethality, but you say I did not. And, I did include acceleration, which you say I did not. Maybe you should read all of my OP before hurling insults.

Did I ever claim to be a genius, or even claim that I have extensive knowledge about aeronautics? Reading comprehension is a skill.

[RotBaron]

If you remove the perk cost from the F4U-4, that is all you'll see in the MA, except for the occasional F4U-1C. Why fly a -1D? The -4 offers the same ordnance load-out with best in game balanced performance.

I'll tell you from 12 years of Aces High, as a player and Trainer, with many, many duels in the F4U-4 against everything.... Equal pilots:The F4U-4 beats the La-7. Down low and especially above 10k. Below 8k, the La-7 can run. But, Co-E, Co-Alt, the F4U-4 has more advantages than disadvantages.

Thank you for an even keeled answer void of mockery. As someone I know who is respected by many I appreciate the analysis of the -4 vs. the La-7. I'll keep that in mind when I encounter one next. 

[33Vortex]

Thank you for an even keeled answer void of mockery.

Mockery is there so that we can know who the idiots are in the crowd. Often times they are a majority, in AH too.

[BaldEagl]

The aspects I stated objectively at the beginning of the post used the ones you mentioned, yes, correct. ALSO, I included in a subjective comparative analysis in  a few statements pertaining to all of those you list that you say I did not include.  However, I did include statements about flaps, which you say I did not (but here's some you must of missed.) I did include statement about lethality, but you say I did not. And, I did include acceleration, which you say I did not. Maybe you should read all of my OP before hurling insults.

Did I ever claim to be a genius, or even claim that I have extensive knowledge about aeronautics? Reading comprehension is a skill.

Look, I don't mean to be an bellybutton but you've heard from some of the best pilots and some of the best historians in the game why you're wrong (you are wrong) and yet you try to keep arguing you're right.

You're like the ostrich with his head in the sand... no one knows I'm here because I can't see them.   

Whatever... unperk the F4U-4 and see what happens.  It will be my new permanent ride and I HATE most American planes (except Grumman)

[RotBaron]

Mockery is there so that we can know who the idiots are in the crowd. Often times they are a majority, in AH too.

Now that's constructive. 

[RotBaron]

Look, I don't mean to be an bellybutton but you've heard from some of the best pilots and some of the best historians in the game why you're wrong (you are wrong) and yet you try to keep arguing you're right.

You're like the ostrich with his head in the sand... no one knows I'm here because I can't see them.  

Whatever... unperk the F4U-4 and see what happens.  It will be my new permanent ride and I HATE most American planes (except Grumman)

The heart of my analysis, however as unqualified as I may be, was if these other 5 ENY planes aren't perked then why is it? The point has already been made by Lusche that the Spit 14 would supposedly take over after it were unperked and it did not. I have not found it to be even the most common Spit since then, from what I see that still sits with the 16. Like Widewing said, the La-7 is inferior, and I thanked him for the analysis.

Since that is the case, leave it perked, lower its perks.  Hell even raise its perks, worse could happen. That wasn't my most pertinent point, what was, is the comparison between similar ENY aircraft and their non-perked status. Additionally, that wasn't my only point, but mentioning the perk sure did raise a lot of britches up ppls cracks, some of you could use to pull them back out. Kinda as if this post threatened some existence of what I don't know. But,  I looked a lot of you up, and it begs the question for some of you who don't play anymore, why do you care? Would seem to me if you don't play anymore, but you're telling people how a game they play should be conducted you should seek employment in the gaming industry.


I get it, it sits in the hangar where you think it belongs.  

Continue to flame on, doesn't bother me.

Ostrich out.

[33Vortex]

Now that's constructive. 

Just pointing out that those who resort to mockery lack arguments and aren't really the smartest people either. That is not constructive, besides it is that kind of behavior that keep dragging humanity into the gutter.

[xJUGGOx]

Can I side track from the "perk point" thingy and ask everyone about the F4U-4 acceleration compared to other allied planes in here. It always seems to me that it is slower in acceleration then it should be:

"In level flight acceleration the F4U-4 gained speed at about 2.4 mph/sec, the P-51D accelerated at about 2.2 mph/sec. The F4U-1 could not keep up with either, accelerating at only 1.5 mph/sec. The real drag racer of American WWII fighters was the P-38L. It gained speed at 2.8 mph/sec. All acceleration data was compiled at 10-15,000 ft at Mil. power settings."

[Karnak]

RotBaron,

Look at how the Spit XIV did in the past as a perk plane.  It was hardly used, a fraction of the use of the F4U-4, despite a much lower perk price and its K/D ratio was always exceeded by a number of free planes and utterly obliterated by every other perk plane, including the F4U-1C.  The F4U-4 is in no way in the same boat as the Spitfire Mk XIV was.

On paper the Spit XIV is a dominate fighter, in game you are fighting it almost as much as the enemy whereas on paper the F4U-4 is merely very good but in game it dominates any other piston fighter in a one on one and is an excellent fighter in many on many.

[whiteman]

Free -4's, I will never fly anything else again in the MA.

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Both the Spit14 and the Yak3 pushed the MA into an faster plane arena , releasing F4u4 and / or Tempest perk free makes the arena a faster one.

Ive changed my flying style to stand a chance, sometimes flying other plane  than my old favourite without a wingman around, when outnumbered.

So flying a much better plane with small eny difference that where produced in far less numbers
is apparently better  

Maybe ENY system should be affected by # of squadmembers online, since this affects the survival chance more than what the plane does.

Example: me and 2 others took off in 262s to hunt down a particular  262, what chance did that guy  have ?

[Karnak]

Both the Spit14 and the Yak3 pushed the MA into an faster plane arena

That doesn't make any sense.  Neither are particularly fast compared to the speed leaders.  What does a Spitfire Mk XIV do to you than a Bf109K-4 didn't already do to you?  Yak-3 is slower than a Yak-9U.

I get the sense that the Spitfire Mk XIV's biggest crime is to be a Spitfire.

[Lusche]

That doesn't make any sense.  Neither are particularly fast compared to the speed leaders.  What does a Spitfire Mk XIV do to you than a Bf109K-4 didn't already do to you?  Yak-3 is slower than a Yak-9U.

I may add that the use of both planes has already dropped by a considerable amount.

[JUGgler]

The -4 would dominate the arena if not perked, IMHO.

Let me butcher a statement from the best -4 driver I've seen several years back.

  "The -4 is the BEST prop driven plane in the game"
                                                   BluKitty


That's good enough for me!



JUGgler

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You dont follow, it just adds up - faster machines catches all slower marks of same brand,
109k, spit14 190dora yak3, to be chewed up by others when forced to turn back into the furball.

Karnak:
You have no idea what planes i like and not.
I flew Spits alnost exclusive until I became a trainer and later euro-headtrainer in a game
created by hitech and pyro, long time ago.
I have flown spits in here,
but only one Spit16 mission, landing 4 kills with half ammo.

I seek challenge in flying some machines, but
lately , flying birds in a furball that previous you had small chance in, is now close to suicide.
the G6 is a good example, because the new good planes adds up.

That doesn't make any sense.  Neither are particularly fast compared to the speed leaders.  What does a Spitfire Mk XIV do to you than a Bf109K-4 didn't already do to you?  Yak-3 is slower than a Yak-9U.

I get the sense that the Spitfire Mk XIV's biggest crime is to be a Spitfire.