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WWII Facts
« on: September 19, 2013, 03:36:49 PM »
For those that may have seen it already, disregard....enjoy


Dozen Odd WWII Facts

            You might enjoy this from Col D. G. Swinford, USMC, Ret and history buff.  You would really have to dig deep to get this kind of ringside seat to history:

            1. The first German serviceman killed in WW II was killed by the Japanese ( China , 1937), The first American serviceman killed was killed by the Russians ( Finland 1940);  The highest ranking American killed was Lt Gen Lesley McNair, killed by the US Army Air Corps.

            2. The youngest US serviceman was 12 year old: Calvin Graham, USN. He was wounded and given a Dishonorable Discharge for lying about his age.  His benefits were later restored by act of Congress.

            3. At the time of Pearl Harbor , the top US Navy command was called CINCUS (pronounced 'sink us');  The shoulder patch of the US Army's 45th Infantry division was the swastika.  Hitler's private train was named 'Amerika.'  All three were soon changed for PR purposes.

            4. More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than the Marine Corps.  While completing the required 30 missions, an airman's chance of being killed was 71%.

            5. Generally speaking, there was no such thing as an average fighter pilot. You were either an ace or a target.  For instance, Japanese Ace Hiroyoshi Nishizawa shot down over 80 planes. He died while a passenger on a cargo plane.

            6. It was a common practice on fighter planes to load every 5th round with a tracer round to aid in aiming. This was a big mistake.  Tracers had different ballistics so (at long range) if your tracers were hitting the target 80% of your rounds were missing.  Worse yet tracers instantly told your enemy he was under fire and from which direction.  Worst of all was the practice of loading a string of tracers at the end of the belt to tell you that you were out of ammo. This was definitely not something you wanted to tell the enemy. Units that stopped using tracers saw their success rate nearly double and their loss rate go down.

            7. When allied armies reached the Rhine , the first thing men did was pee in it.  This was pretty universal from the lowest private to Winston Churchill (who made a big show of it) and Gen. Patton (who had himself photographed in the act).

            8. German Me-264 bombers were capable of bombing New York City , but they decided it wasn't worth the effort.

            9. German submarine U-120 was sunk by a malfunctioning toilet.

            10. Among the first 'Germans' captured at Normandy were several Koreans.  They had been forced to fight for the Japanese Army until they were captured by the Russians and forced to fight for the Russian Army until they were captured by the Germans and forced to fight for the German Army until they were captured by the US Army.

            11. Following a massive naval bombardment, 35,000 United States and Canadian troops stormed ashore at Kiska, in the Aleutian Islands .  21 troops were killed in the assault on the island....... It could have been worse if there had actually been any Japanese on the island.

            12. The last marine killed in WW2 was killed by a can of spam.  He was on the ground as a POW in Japan when rescue flights dropping food and supplies came over, the package came apart in the air and a stray can of spam hit him and killed him.
 
 



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Re: WWII Facts
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 04:01:42 PM »
lol on some of theese. Havent heard any of them before. Some are funny, some are shocking, some are "only" interesting.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 04:15:47 PM »
Funny stuff.

One correction - 9. German submarine U-120 was sunk by a malfunctioning toilet.
It should be U-1206 - it had one of those complicated high-pressure toilets allows you to flush while deep underwater and it malfunctioned - the Captain thought the water had leaked into the forward battery compartment and caused gas to escape the batteries and forced crew out from the bow of the sub - the Captain had no choice but to surface.  On top, the sub ran into Allied surface vessels - the Captain decided to scuttle the sub and the crew abandoned ship.  A couple of GN sailors drowned in the heavy seas and the rest were captured for the rest of the war.

The story gets even more interesting! A British underwater survey later on in the 70's came upon the site and suggested that U-1206 may have actually run into an underwater wreck after closely examining the damage to the sub's bow and examining the proximity of the older wreck.  The scientists surmised that the toilet overflow could of occurred at the same time of the impact to the wreck where they found damage just under the toilet location inside the sub. It wasn't significant but enough to cause a small hole which at depth and complicated by an overflowing toilet was enough to overwhelm the pumps and leak into the lower bow battery compartment.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 05:53:28 PM »
            10. Among the first 'Germans' captured at Normandy were several Koreans.  They had been forced to fight for the Japanese Army until they were captured by the Russians and forced to fight for the Russian Army until they were captured by the Germans and forced to fight for the German Army until they were captured by the US Army.

Wow those guys just couldn't catch a break.  :lol

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 07:11:38 PM »
Hey thanks for sharing this man! Interesting stuff  :aok
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 10:48:10 PM »
Wow those guys just couldn't catch a break.  :lol
No joke.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 11:17:38 PM »
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2. The youngest US serviceman was 12 year old: Calvin Graham, USN. He was wounded and given a Dishonorable Discharge for lying about his age.  His benefits were later restored by act of Congress.

This blows my mind.
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 11:22:44 PM »
This looks very familiar.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 11:26:24 PM »
There is a movie titled 'My way' on netflicks inspired by the Koreans that were captured and conscripted I haven't watched it yet, but it is on my list.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2013, 03:25:58 AM »
The first German serviceman killed in ww2 1937- ww2 started 1939. You might as well say the last German soldier killed in ww1 died 1937.

The Winter War between Finland and ussr ended march 1940, in June 1940 a US Foriegn Service clerk, not a serviceman, died when the transport he was on blew up inflight. Has it been determined that the soviets were responsible, and if so how was it determined that the soviets responsible were Russian?

Here's three factoids that may surprise some. The Russian empire wasn't a belligerent in ww2 because at the time it didn't exist. Most soviets were not Russian. Stalin wasn't Russian and didn't like to give speeches because he never mastered the language.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2013, 03:32:49 AM »
In the 8th USAAF the bomber loss rate was 4%. Bomber crews were required to complete 25 missions. 25x4=?
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2013, 03:37:49 AM »
In the 8th USAAF the bomber loss rate was 4%. Bomber crews were required to complete 25 missions. 25x4=?
Wrong. 4% loss rate means, 96% survives. In 25 missions, statistically, the number of the survivors from the original crew was 0.96^25=0,36039   Ergo 64% of the conscripted bomber airmen have died in those 25 missions. Shocking, isnt it? But it might have been even worse at the other airforces. War is truly horrible.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2013, 03:54:07 AM »
Also one thing about the tracers. Unlike in video games today, gunsights in ww2 fighter planes, for many reasons, didn't perform with a great deal of accuracy. That's why the hurri2d has two 30 cal. mgs. Aiming was reactive, you walked your fire on to the target. That's also how fw190 pilots used their cowl guns. Try this in AH, take an IL2 and move your default view position far to the left or right so that you can't see your gunsight. Now strafe some ground targets, you'll find yourself walking the bullet strikes into the target. That's generally how they did it.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2013, 04:06:51 AM »
Wrong. 4% loss rate means, 96% survives. In 25 missions, statistically, the number of the survivors from the original crew was 0.96^25=0,36039   Ergo 64% of the conscripted bomber airmen have died in those 25 missions. Shocking, isnt it? But it might have been even worse at the other airforces. War is truly horrible.
If a force of 100 bombers has to replace 4 bombers after every mission, after 25 missions wouldn't they have gotten 100 bombers in total as replacements?
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2013, 05:12:59 AM »
I wonder how the last one to use the toilet on that u boat could live with the knowledge that he basically destroyed a sub by defecation.

What the heck were they eating there?!  :O
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