ENY limits based on all players, not InFlight.... WHY??

[Lusche]

ehh well if someone is really good they can dodge AND get a quick gun solution on the 51...possibly a kill shot.

The chances are still way better for the P-51 to kill the I-16. That a freak kill can occur doesn't make it a balanced setup.
As I said before, the I-16 has to hope for a screwup by the Pony. The performance envelope of the P-51 still makes it totally dominate the fight.

[Karnak]

I find great pleasure in finding ways to max it possible. I enjoy making the impossible possible. 

This cannot be done.  It is a nice, pat, feel good saying, but physics is a harsh mistress and she will have her way.

ehh well if someone is really good they can dodge AND get a quick gun solution on the 51...possibly a kill shot.

If the P-51 driver is good that won't happen.  That scenario relies on the I-16 driver being better than the P-51 driver.


SysError,

Why does it cease to be fun?

[JOACH1M]

Well it doesn't make it balanced but it does change the odds some. But this is only if the I-16 pilot is better. If it's equal skilled guys the 51 will win all the time.

[Karnak]

Well it doesn't make it balanced but it does change the odds some. But this is only if the I-16 pilot is better. If it's equal skilled guys the 51 will win all the time.

Barring the no skill guys who only think to roll it on its side and turn as tight as they can to get on the other guy's six.  The I-16 newb will beat the P-51 newb in that one. 

[BaldEagl]

Imagine the C-47 had forward firing guns.  You proponents of "it's the pilot not the plane" are saying with equal pilots the C-47 has an equal chance against a Spit XVI?  I want some of whatever you guys are on.

[Latrobe]

Imagine the C-47 had forward firing guns.  You proponents of "it's the pilot not the plane" are saying with equal pilots the C-47 has an equal chance against a Spit XVI?  I want some of whatever you guys are on.

It's just how I think. I never think anything is impossible. I think there is always a way to do anything.

[Lusche]

It's just how I think. I never think anything is impossible. I think there is always a way to do anything.

But that's a though totally different than "The plane doesn't make a difference" 

[Latrobe]

It doesn't make a difference, to me. If I'm more skilled then I should win. That's the way to win. Now I just have to get skilled. 

[JUGgler]

I have the complete opposite thinking from this. If we were to take a pilot who is best of the best, makes no mistakes, and make a clone of him so that we have two pilots with perfectly even skill levels, and we put 1 of them in an i-16 and the other in a P-51D, then my thinking is the fight would be a draw. Both pilots would be using their planes weaknesses against the others strengths. The i-16 pilot would use his better turning and maneuverability to avoid the P-51D while he used his better speed and climbing abilities to make BnZ attacks. The only way I see one of them winning is if one of them was flying a plane that has every single advantage in the book, and we do not have that kind of plane in-game.

The plane is just the tool we use, and our skills is what makes the difference. Someone who is a far more skilled fighter and used a blunt wooden club will be able to beat someone of less skill and uses the sharpest of swords.

Cmon Latrobe, that's like saying in a gun fight. the best "smooth bore, flintlock sniper" in history, has the remotest chance against the best 50 cal sniper in history.

A better way to put this is, If Latrobe was flying a P51 and he engaged Latrobe flying an I16, who would most likely win, everytime? If you say that it's a toss up cause both pilots have equal skill than I say you are being argumentative, not realistic.

It is easy for me to say when I played, I (flying a twit 16 or a K4) would destroy me (flying any JUG) most everytime!! And I was better in any JUG than I was in any spit or K4! 



JUGgler

[Karnak]

It doesn't make a difference, to me. If I'm more skilled then I should win. That's the way to win. Now I just have to get skilled. 

A slightly more skilled player in a P-40C will lose to the slightly less skilled player in the Spit XVI most of the time.

[Drane]

I see the big issue here as this:

A limitation placed on fellow countrymen by selfish prima donnas who want war win perks and don't care how they affect others play.

Whatever reasons they state for doing this, it is still inconsiderate to others. PLEASE LOG OFF IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACTIVELY PLAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU KNOW IT MAY AFFECT ENY!

If the numbers actually in battle are fairly even, shouldn't the active players have the same equipment set available to make the battles....fair?

[Latrobe]

Cmon Latrobe, that's like saying in a gun fight. the best "smooth bore, flintlock sniper" in history, has the remotest chance against the best 50 cal sniper in history.

A better way to put this is, If Latrobe was flying a P51 and he engaged Latrobe flying an I16, who would most likely win, everytime? If you say that it's a toss up cause both pilots have equal skill than I say you are being argumentative, not realistic.

It is easy for me to say when I played, I (flying a twit 16 or a K4) would destroy me (flying any JUG) most everytime!! And I was better in any JUG than I was in any spit or K4! 



JUGgler

It's just how I see things. I really don't care if I'm in a P-40C up against 4 Spit16s and I'm miles from the nearest friendly. I'm not going to just give up and says it's a hopeless situation and surrender. I'm going to fight and find a way to win the fight because I believe that if the pilot is skilled enough then he can beat those 4 spit16s. It doesn't matter that he's in a P-40C against 4 Spit 16's, if he's good enough, knows enough about ACM, knows how to use his strengths against the spits weaknesses, then he can win. And, for anyone who says it's impossible to win if at least 1 of those spit 16 pilots is any good, then the P-40 pilot just has to be even better!

That's what I think and I practice every day to be that kind of a pilot.

[guncrasher]

Its all about the pilot not the bird. Eny is stupid ,and for cry babies that cant stand how life is not fair.

nope.  when I actually play I rank below around 200 and everybody knows I have no skill whatsoever.  the skill that most high ranked pilots exhibit is at knowing how the scoring system works.


semp

[JUGgler]

It's just how I see things. I really don't care if I'm in a P-40C up against 4 Spit16s and I'm miles from the nearest friendly. I'm not going to just give up and says it's a hopeless situation and surrender. I'm going to fight and find a way to win the fight because I believe that if the pilot is skilled enough then he can beat those 4 spit16s. It doesn't matter that he's in a P-40C against 4 Spit 16's, if he's good enough, knows enough about ACM, knows how to use his strengths against the spits weaknesses, then he can win. And, for anyone who says it's impossible to win if at least 1 of those spit 16 pilots is any good, then the P-40 pilot just has to be even better!

That's what I think and I practice every day to be that kind of a pilot.

Well this I know to be true, but please answer this--> Latrobe "A" is flying a K4 and Latrobe "B" is flying a P40C, they merge at 10K........ Who wins?


I know the answer, and so do you 



JUGgler

[Karnak]

Latrobe,

Nobody here is saying give up when you are facing a superior aircraft.  I certainly don't, I love bagging an La-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI that had all the cards on me and still lost, but I am not about to mistake that outcome for the outcome between me in the La-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI against me in the Mosquito Mk VI.

Rage, rage against the dying of the light most definitely, but also acknowledge reality not as an excuse but as simple information.