Airspace violation by Russia.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Test what FiAF response is, times to respond, try to listen radio traffic, etc. The plane looks the way it does because it was designed as a STOL transport. The high speed jet air flow gets deflected downwards to the direction of the airfoil (Coanda effect) increasing lift.

Yes, an innovation they implemented soon after the US design competition for what is now the C-17... That was, recall, both the YC-14 (Boeing) and YC-15 (MD). Both employed Coanda effect, though differently. What you see currently on the C-17 is similar to the YC-15 layout while the YC-14 had similar mounts to the Antonov. Coincidence..? Maybe.

Also, I uspect this thread will get locked. Recall, "war is state policy by other means"... and is inherently political. When you look at a globe, the countries are dfiferentiated by politcal borders, most of which were established by violent means, in direct contradiction of the silly bromide, "violence never solves anything".

I am therefore IN and am awesome like a dancing banana for predicting the ensuing LOCK. 

[MrRiplEy[H]]

And that makes me wonder what was your air force doing? Don't you guys intercept and ID all unknown and foreign military aircraft close to your border? Where was the Ilmavoimat when this An-72 breached your airspace?

Due to cost saving reasons they weren't doing anything untill the press started asking questions. Now Helsinki is like the hornets nest (pun intended) and the propaganda machine is trying to convince people there's nothing to worry about. Yeah right.

[Wmaker]

Well, Foxtrot Uniform to you too I guess.  What do I know, I just live here.

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I get an FU for rather believing Norwegian armed forces' spokesman instead of a neighbor of one of the Norwegian air force's bases?? Especially when there's such a huge difference compared to the numbers you initially posted? I mean, do you understand how ridiculous that figure of 400 sounded?

[GScholz]

Funny thing. Two more F-16s took off 10 minutes ago with full AB. They're only allowed to do that on scramble sorties due to noise regulations. That's the second scramble of the day with at least four sorties.

[GScholz]

There goes two more. Busy day here.

[GScholz]

Your article claimed 37 intercepts in the Barents region in 2011. That may very well be the case, but that is only a small part of the RNoAF's area of control. We even cover Iceland these days since they've become a Norwegian protectorate. In addition to the approx. 400 scrambles in Norway the RNoAF flew 615 missions over Libya between 24 Mars and 31 July 2011. And our P-3s flew 122 missions "against" the Russians, monitoring their activities and testing their response times. The game hasn't changed much since the Cold War...

[GScholz]

There goes the fourth pair. I don't think they have many aircraft left on standby now; must be real busy on the ground over there.

We've been doing ground exercises near the Russian border the last few days. Maybe the Russians are responding...

[GScholz]

Ah... NATO ground exercise Noble Ledger (15-24 september) started today with 13 000 NATO troops arriving. No wonder the Russians are nosing around...  

[PJ_Godzilla]

Bit like Europe with its right wing nationalist political parties

Everyone gets armbands
and 3d glasses
Zack is in the back room
Taking those night classes

I thought you were a BNP member... or at least Ben is.

[GScholz]

Heh... Just remember reading an article that we peed-off the Indians last year with our "snooping" around their carrier off the Russian coast.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ins-vikramaditya-was-spied-upon-by-nato-aircraft-and-ship-last-year/1/325335.html

[XxDaSTaRxx]

Airspace violations are nothing new.

[zack1234]

Everyone gets armbands
and 3d glasses
Zack is in the back room
Taking those night classes

I thought you were a BNP member... or at least Ben is.

Yes Ben was very right wing but being a Border Colly/Poodle cross meant he could never be trully Britsh, Poodles are French you see

The PM has anounced £3.5 billion contract to build tanks and is going to advise NATO to increase its spending on arms by 28%, funny that

I wonder if it dollors or Euros

[PJ_Godzilla]

Yes Ben was very right wing but being a Border Colly/Poodle cross meant he could never be trully Britsh, Poodles are French you see

The PM has anounced £3.5 billion contract to build tanks and is going to advise NATO to increase its spending on arms by 28%, funny that

I wonder if it dollors or Euros

So, you mean to tell me that, in today's Britain, you can't be truly right wing if you're not fully British? I guess that makes sense. Therein likely lies their problems at the polls.

As for Border Collies, my very first doggy was a BC. He was a clever dog. His main problem was a tendency to herd anything - including small children - into a neat little pack my means of nipping at their ankles. THis nearly landed him in hot water after he put a small bruise on the ankle of a neighbor's child. This wouldn't have been a problem, necessarily, but for the fact that this neighbor child's father was a TRIAL LAWYER, who shortly warned my father that lawsuits and the putting down of our beloved BC would follow should anything of this type happen EVER AGAIN. Of course, we did the only logical thing, PNG'ing that kid away from any proximity with our beloved pooch ever again.


Later, we'd replace dear old Tuxedo with a set of much larger (and much fiercer) malemutes.  With them, the danger was never an innocent nip. Of course, dead animals would turn up in the yard from time to time, some of which they'd happily play tug-of-war with.

In any case, a good BNP dog would be something like that (or any of the other big fierce breeds - perhaps they could try Joe Stalin's black Russian Terriers), just to keep things in line, if you follow. Sufficiently trained, such beasts could be very useful. Ours were never so orderly. If Ben were, perhaps, to "butch it up" a bit, he might get his membership card (despite the issue with Bona Fides), is all I'm saying. He could closet his poodle side, change his hair, keep his "extracurricular activities" out of the public eye. just talk with him. I mean; he's getting on a bit. Why does he still feel such a need to be so flamboyant about things?

[Bruv119]

political dogs and Russia starting WW3 all in one thread.   Awesome.

[ghi]

This 11 missing airliners from Tripoli International could be a real threat not the Russians; its believed the jihadist from Libya are cooperating with ISIS;
 new ISIS Airline offering cheap one way  flights to Western destination?! 


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/09/04/libya-missing-planes-sept-11/15059169/