Ethics of HO Shooting.....

[Changeup]

I see dead people....

[Zerstorer]

    

[DmonSlyr]

HOs are like real Ho's.
Cheap, easy, desperate, dangerous, and only worth it if you fit in the same categories.

[HL117]

the HO shot is for the weak ...........



I have taken a few when feeling weak or lazy, generally shows your lack of ACM.

[Changeup]

the HO shot is for the weak ...........



I have taken a few when feeling weak or lazy, generally shows your lack of ACM.

Welcome back HL...I see your views have changed very little during your AH vacation.

[Sloehand]

MY RULES ON HEAD-ON's

RULE ONE
An HO is potentially an equal opportunity destroyer (mutually assured destruction), so don't do it if you have any other choice.  The odds are just too even in most cases.

RULE TWO
If for some reason a wild hair does grow and your eyebrows decide to knit together into one, be flying the better armed plane, such as the Bf110, Me410, Mossie, 190A8, F4U-C, etc.  Anyone flying into the face of one of those is really, really dumb... and probably dead, too.

RULE THREE
Ignore those that whine about an HO (which is 9 times out of 10 actually a forward aspect deflection shot and not an HO).  In almost every instance the loser is trying to salve his own ego over his death by shaming you, and at the same time trying convince himself (and any that will listen) that it wasn't his own stupidity and lack of ACM skills that got him killed.

RULE FOUR
When Rule Three occurs, to keep your enjoyment of his displeasure going, simply let him know that if he gets in front of your guns again, at any time, in any way, you'll shoot and kill him...JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME!  How he got there, and dead, is his own fault.  You're just helping him fulfill his death wish.  LOL 

[FESS67]

^^^^^^ what he said.

Simple but effective. 

[HL117]

Welcome back HL...I see your views have changed very little during your AH vacation.

Thanks Changeup,


Seems the HO has become popular again, just means we have to work on the avoidance skills more, this HO thing is why I like to seek out the Muppets and your ilk, always can count on a good fight with little concern over a face shot on first merge.

[Skyyr]

MY RULES ON HEAD-ON's

RULE ONE
An HO is potentially an equal opportunity destroyer (mutually assured destruction), so don't do it if you have any other choice.  The odds are just too even in most cases.

RULE TWO
If for some reason a wild hair does grow and your eyebrows decide to knit together into one, be flying the better armed plane, such as the Bf110, Me410, Mossie, 190A8, F4U-C, etc.  Anyone flying into the face of one of those is really, really dumb... and probably dead, too.

RULE THREE
Ignore those that whine about an HO (which is 9 times out of 10 actually a forward aspect deflection shot and not an HO).  In almost every instance the loser is trying to salve his own ego over his death by shaming you, and at the same time trying convince himself (and any that will listen) that it wasn't his own stupidity and lack of ACM skills that got him killed.

RULE FOUR
When Rule Three occurs, to keep your enjoyment of his displeasure going, simply let him know that if he gets in front of your guns again, at any time, in any way, you'll shoot and kill him...JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME!  How he got there, and dead, is his own fault.  You're just helping him fulfill his death wish.  LOL 

Well said, sir! Especially rule #3.

[Skyyr]

Another way to look at this is to replace "HO" with "turn onto your six" and then replay the arguments...

"Well I could have turned onto your six too, but that wouldn't have been any fun!"
"It's easy to turn onto your six, anyone can do it!"
"If everyone turns onto your six while you're turning onto their six, this game wouldn't be any fun."

Strangely enough, the core of the argument doesn't change - that the other pilot could have won too if they had used the same tactic, or that the game wouldn't be fun if everyone used the same tactic, etc. In the end, it's a lame excuse.

The truth of the matter is that the forward deflection shot (which is very rarely ever a true "head on") is a tactic like any other, just like choosing between energy fighting and turnfighting is a tactic. It has counters against it and it can be used to counter other tactics, it is simply a tool to trade a loss of angles for a guns solution.

Those who complain about front-quarter shots are those who either
a) are inexperienced at avoiding such shots,
b) would try to turn the front-quarter shot into a HO, but are poor shots themselves, or
c) don't comprehend tactics outside of cold-pass turnfights

Yet again, a look at actual WWII aerial combat and other sim communities shows the above to the norm, and paints HO complaints as what they are: excuses.

[Kruel]

MY RULES ON HEAD-ON's

RULE ONE
An HO is potentially an equal opportunity destroyer (mutually assured destruction), so don't do it if you have any other choice.  The odds are just too even in most cases.

RULE TWO
If for some reason a wild hair does grow and your eyebrows decide to knit together into one, be flying the better armed plane, such as the Bf110, Me410, Mossie, 190A8, F4U-C, etc.  Anyone flying into the face of one of those is really, really dumb... and probably dead, too.

RULE THREE
Ignore those that whine about an HO (which is 9 times out of 10 actually a forward aspect deflection shot and not an HO).  In almost every instance the loser is trying to salve his own ego over his death by shaming you, and at the same time trying convince himself (and any that will listen) that it wasn't his own stupidity and lack of ACM skills that got him killed.

RULE FOUR
When Rule Three occurs, to keep your enjoyment of his displeasure going, simply let him know that if he gets in front of your guns again, at any time, in any way, you'll shoot and kill him...JUST LIKE THE LAST TIME!  How he got there, and dead, is his own fault.  You're just helping him fulfill his death wish.  LOL 

I like this guy..

[Triton28]

Another way to look at this is to replace "HO" with "turn onto your six" and then replay the arguments...

"Well I could have turned onto your six too, but that wouldn't have been any fun!"

Said no one ever.

"It's easy to turn onto your six, anyone can do it!"

Said no one ever.

"If everyone turns onto your six while you're turning onto their six, this game wouldn't be any fun."[/i]

Said no one ever.

Strangely enough, the core of the argument doesn't change - that the other pilot could have won too if they had used the same tactic, or that the game wouldn't be fun if everyone used the same tactic, etc. In the end, it's a lame excuse.

Correct.  Coin flips can be won by either party participating.  If you find coin flips fun and challenging, well, there's not much I can say.   

The truth of the matter is that the forward deflection shot (which is very rarely ever a true "head on") is a tactic like any other, just like choosing between energy fighting and turnfighting is a tactic. It has counters against it and it can be used to counter other tactics, it is simply a tool to trade a loss of angles for a guns solution.

It is a tactic.  A tactic that takes very little practice or skill to become good enough to severely damage or destroy the other plane, all while virtually ensuring you'll get damaged too. 

Those who complain about front-quarter shots are those who either
a) are inexperienced at avoiding such shots,
b) would try to turn the front-quarter shot into a HO, but are poor shots themselves, or
c) don't comprehend tactics outside of cold-pass turnfights

I love the last one.  It always comes down to you and people who agree with you being smarter than everyone else.  That's cute.   

[Triton28]

I like this guy..

I was watching this epic video on Youtube one time, and remember this one dude who was all mad and stuff because he got HO'd by a plane he was fighting.  I believe he called the HO'er a "HO'ing sack of $^!@".  That guy must not have comprehended tactics outside of cold pass turnfighting.   

[glzsqd]

Can we please not.

[Skyyr]

I was watching this epic video on Youtube one time, and remember this one dude who was all mad and stuff because he got HO'd by a plane he was fighting.  I believe he called the HO'er a "HO'ing sack of $^!@".  That guy must not have comprehended tactics outside of cold pass turnfighting.   

Ah, I remember that - that was Sawzaw. While he's not a member of our squad, I do remember him getting quite mad when he got HO'd. Now that you mention it, he switched to a K4 and ran into you shortly after that sortie. Ah, many laughs were had that day as he landed kill after kill.

Remind us to get him mad more often.