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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2015, 07:19:23 AM »
See Rule #4
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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2015, 07:48:28 AM »
When you get upset because people don't share your opinion what are you showing us?

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2015, 07:53:28 AM »
Oy.  A shame it came to this, I liked the topic.

I'd love to have a furball island AND have the bases closer together all across the map.  Possibly someone knows HTC's rationale for insisting that MA map bases be so separated, but I've never grasped it.  AvA bases are closer together, have always been closer together, and it seemed to work just fine.  And you don't have to spend half your online time just getting to the fight.

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2015, 07:57:57 AM »
When you get upset because people don't share your opinion what are you showing us?

Read Bustr's former response and you'll see why I wrote this the way I did.

Oldman, what a great idea!! Too bad the people here refuse to try it because they are afraid of the lack of "sociability" they will endure by trying something different.  Ohwell...
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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2015, 08:02:09 AM »
So it's a race to the bottom and you want to win?  You still have time to edit.

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2015, 08:16:57 AM »
So it's a race to the bottom and you want to win?  You still have time to edit.

Grammar isn't my strong suit and typing on my phone sucks. But, I'll stick to my guns about the content I've written. I've only tried to make mere examples of what will happen and what players can do to solve the problems for themselves, instead of blaming it on the game. I could complain how COD spawns me in front of bad guys all day long, but that means I'm just bad at SA and not good enough at the game yet to be successful against opponents when that happens. 

If you are not successful in the large furballs going on normally on the map, what makes you think a furball island is gonna be any easier. In fact it will only be more difficult to get kills and land victories.
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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2015, 08:45:16 AM »
I wasn't referring to grammar or spelling.  Misspelling intelligence is always funny but rudeness doesn't help your argument, it makes you look foolish.

I haven't seen any explanations from you on how furball fields would hurt anything you want to do. I think it's best if the maps don't all have them but that's just my opinion. It doesn't bother me if other people disagree with that.


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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2015, 08:50:37 AM »
I wasn't referring to grammar or spelling.  Misspelling intelligence is always funny but rudeness doesn't help your argument, it makes you look foolish.

I haven't seen any explanations from you on how furball fields would hurt anything you want to do. I think it's best if the maps don't all have them but that's just my opinion. It doesn't bother me if other people disagree with that.

Well when people want to shame me with idiotic arguments and defame a rather difficult accomishment that I have achieved in AH, or tell me my opinion doesn't mean anything when I've put the time and effort to become better at the game over a 10 year span from 2005- 2014, then they deserve to be ridiculed for it.

BTW, yes that is why I became an accountant, spelling and grammar have never been a strong part for me, but argument and logic is a different type of understanding, especially when I have the knowledge, perception, and judgement about the situation OP is describing based on skill and overall gameplay experience.
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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2015, 09:08:15 AM »
I would suggest you politely mock their error rather than trading insults like schoolboys.

I still don't see how furball fields would hurt anything you want to do.

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2015, 09:33:24 AM »
I would suggest you politely mock their error rather than trading insults like schoolboys.

I still don't see how furball fields would hurt anything you want to do.

Politely mocking them wasn't the intent since they haven't been polite to me from the start.

I hope they all plot against me and come try to shoot me down so I can have more action and prove to them that a furball island doesn't really matter.

The whole premise to my arguement is not that furball islands are a bad thing. If it were to happen, I'd fight there all the time and I'm sure players wouldn't be having a good time because I'd shoot down most of them. They'd get picked constantly, they'd lose advantage and die just as much as they are now, the fights would be a lot more tough to be successful in because 95% of the players would use the fastest planes and BnZ all day long. If you don't have the skills, a furball island will be way more difficult for you to be successful in. Take the furball islands we have now. They are tough. You lose alt, and suddenly here comes a 190D with his Ki84 friend to catch and out turn you.. It can happen in any furball, but you risk this happening over and over again in a furball town.

What I am implying here is that you don't necessarily need to have a furball island inorder to make fights and furballs better, you need closer bases and a higher skill set. With closer bases you can scoot to a base more quickly, defending may or may not be more fun, you can defend from another base while quickly getting to the base being attacked, distances to fights would make it more timely for the people fighting, and since the bases are closer more fights and furballs would be had based on time it takes to find some one to engage.  It would also incorporate to the war aspect of the game. You have bases that your team can work on caputring, while being in a large furball, which seems to be the underlying problem to the furballers here. They just want to furball. That is great, that is what I like to do. But the furballs in this situation are a lot more fun outside of a furball island. If all you want are furballs, putting bases closer together would create that as well as speed up fights, and encouraging the war aspect to the game. Instead having 1/3 of the people over at FI and then the maps will never end.

I even mentioned having 3 bases on all teams close to each other for a furball triangle, that would benefit the war effort and benefit the furballers, but no one read that part because they are too busy trying to figure out how to defame my understanding by using faulty logic and inane whiplashes toward my success in AH.
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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2015, 10:08:18 AM »
The downside you mention is taking people away from the effort to win the war but if players from all 3 sides furball it does it make a difference if it's in the MA or DA?

It seemed to me that most of the discussion was polite. If you think bustr was wrong to be rude then logically your rudeness would also be wrong. You referred to retards and noobs, you weren't just responding to one person's rudeness, you were insulting people who politely disagreed with you. You actually started that with your lack of skill comment. Everyone else, except you and bustr, was having a polite discussion of different opinions.

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2015, 10:54:36 AM »
The downside you mention is taking people away from the effort to win the war but if players from all 3 sides furball it does it make a difference if it's in the MA or DA?

It seemed to me that most of the discussion was polite. If you think bustr was wrong to be rude then logically your rudeness would also be wrong. You referred to retards and noobs, you weren't just responding to one person's rudeness, you were insulting people who politely disagreed with you. You actually started that with your lack of skill comment. Everyone else, except you and bustr, was having a polite discussion of different opinions.

If all sides were furballing in an area that could impact the war by capuring or dominating one or both teams, then it would send those players to other parts of the map to attempt to defend or fight somewhere else, which could even create another furball on the other side of the map. Conglomerating a group to a specific part of the map for all out furballing, defeats the aspect to the point of what the MA is intended for, war. Going go the DA would emliminate this as well, but you would be using the arena for what it was intended on doing. In all forms of this problem you have players that want to all out furball, which makes it difficult for the war part of the game. The decision is up to the players. You have what they call an opportunity cost. At least if a furball was part of the base taking strategy, the whole MA and war aspect would still stand even if the majority were furballing in one area.

More people would go the DA or the AvA to find these types of fights but they are afraid they would lose the social aspect to the game. Unfortunately, there just aren't enough players to be in each arena to attract a fight. Even though, these places are designed better for the type of fighting they are looking for. It is a paradox because everyone wants to have these fights, but no one will give it shot, so the #s stay low and then no one wants to go in there. You would see the DA filled every night if this is truly the way people wanted to fight. The MA simply gives them a "meaning" to be apart of the game and community, thus they choose to fly in an MA area and can't figure out where the furball is, then complian about it, usually because of lack of skill. It is not so much an insult as it is the truth.

I'm sorry if lack of skills makes it hard for you to be successful, I was the same way when I first started, like I said it took years of dying to be where I am at now. I still get ganged and picked and only take it about 75% serious. It is not that there needs to be a furball island to fix everyone's problems, it is that they need some guidance to become more successful in furballs that are on the map. That is indeed the main issue here.

I brought up my skills and achivements because Toad thought my opinion didn't matter, which erked me, and then bustr comes on preaching BS how my achiements in the game don't matter, even though it takes a considerate amount experience to obtain that achievement. My acviements and skill level do accurately proclaim that my opinion does have valence to the context of this problem and arguement.   

If they have a problem with that they can come hunt me in the MA and learn how to die respectfully. Like I said, the furball island won't stop that....

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2015, 11:29:28 AM »
What do you know about my skills?  It seems you are trying to insult me. Good luck with that.  :D

Toad's point about your opinion was that it doesn't trump everyone else's opinion. That's what you can't accept.

Your justification for rudeness was that bustr started it but actually you got that ball rolling. Now you don't want to talk about it.
 
You got upset because other people don't share your opinion of yourself. That's not likely to change.

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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2015, 11:57:41 AM »
What do you know about my skills?  It seems you are trying to insult me. Good luck with that.  :D

Toad's point about your opinion was that it doesn't trump everyone else's opinion. That's what you can't accept.

Your justification for rudeness was that bustr started it but actually you got that ball rolling. Now you don't want to talk about it.
 
You got upset because other people don't share your opinion of yourself. That's not likely to change.

No, I got upset because they didn't understand my argument and thus proclaimed that my opinion doesn't matter, then retorting that I didnt understand theirs, which was soley justified that they won't go to another arena because of social communication, which has some ambiguety towards the main point of the OP in regards to what the MA and DA were built for.

I've never even seen you fly in the MA or on this game before FLS, to be quite honest, while I think you are probably a good pilot, and do make some good general assessments for training purposes, your credibility was not being stomped on by me. I actually agreed with you on the first post you made. But somehow " I wasn't understanding your point".

I know that my opinion is only a statement but I believe it does have prevelance to the discussion. I pointed out many other ways to find furballs in other parts of the game as well as understanding the map to player base #s.
I personally think this is what makes the MA hard for some players. I started off in H2H which helped me understand the game on a smaller scale. Fighting on smaller maps with a closer base structure is very exciting and fast paced, even with only 10-20 players. But many won't give it a shot because they are too niave. So instead of learning and trying out different parts of the game that would benefit their style of fighting, they complain because it is hard. Then once they get in a furball they lack skills to become successful which on its own defeats the fact in a furball island or not, furballing is not the issue, but skill set and plane choice are.
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Re: Dedicated Furball fields in every MA arena?
« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2015, 12:17:49 PM »
I started in AH in tour 23. I've been a trainer for 4 years now and lately I spend most of my AH time helping people. I do expect to get back into the MA but after 20 years in different flight sims I don't feel like I have to prove anything. You can see me fly by watching the unedited videos with unedited music on my utube link.

I still think you missed my point about human nature, friction, and frustration, but I often have my own perspective on issues that other people may not see or share.

People can understand your point without agreeing with it. Maybe you understand that but it's not obvious from this thread.