Greatest fighter ever built besides the p39

[Ack-Ack]

I was thinking it would be funny that a group that seems to hate American culture so much would drive American vehicles.

They do, ISIS has a few thousand humvees and a tens of M1A1 main battle tanks, along with a myriad of other US made vehicles.

[Zimme83]

Toyota is really big in much of the 3rd world, they have >50% of the market. Even had a war named after them, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War

And yes, ISIS has a lot of american equipment, even Hizbollah is in possesion of the Abrams:

[vHACKv]

B25-H


*Drops mic

[Squire]

"I want to massacre non-beleivers...but I want to do it driving something practical but with nice options like AC and XM Radio..."

[dirtdart]

Lol... ISIS and Abrams. Could go on and on about the maintenance on those.    I am now the XO do an ABCT.

The F35 is a bold concept. The fact that two F35s roughly equal a ship aside, we are learning much from the program. As long as we protect what we have learned it may be worth the investment as a deterrent. We now have fifth generation attack fighter and bomber aircraft. To engineer a national integrated defense network to counter this will require other nation to commit resources. No telling what the cost would be in relation to the F35. That will be the check to see if it is "worth it."

[JVboob]

I saw a frontier. ISIS drives nissian too i knew it. Does ISIS have the proper training and equipment/supplies to actually operat the M1A1? An BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT can handle a few M1s

[PR3D4TOR]

Reminds me of this.

[633DH98]

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-beat-the-plane-its-replacing-in-a-dogfigh-1714712248

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/major-obvious-f-35-pilot-says-a-10-will-always-be-bett-1696947416

For the cost of one F-35 you can have two F-16 and two A-10, plus spares, ordinance and still train and pay for pilots and crews for them. 

[PR3D4TOR]

For the cost of one F-35 you can have one-and-a-half F-16, maybe.

[Squire]

Hogwash...those are 2012 prices from Lockheed that are ridiculously optimistic and don't even include the cost of the engine. Nobody beleives an F-35 goes for a measly 100 million.

defense-aerospace.com:

PARIS --- The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin on Dec. 14 signed the final contract installment for the fifth production batch of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, concluding negotiations that had to be extended for an extra year.

The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) said that the price of the Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Lot 5 aircraft declined by 4 percent over the previous Lot 4 contract, initiating a long-expected decline in the cost of F-35 that, it says, will ultimately lead to a halving of current prices.

The JPO also released the final LRIP unit price for each of the three F-35 variants. These prices are:
-- $105 million for each of 22 F-35A Conventional Take-off and Landing (CTOL) aircraft for the US Air Force;
-- $125 million for each of seven F-35C Carrier Variant (CV) aircraft for the US Navy; and
-- $113 million for each of 3 F-35B Short Take-off Vertical Landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Marine Corps.

These prices are expressed in BY12 dollars, and do not include the aircraft’s F-135 engine, which is procured separately.

The average unit cost of these three variants is $114.3 million, rising to $146.3 million when the cost of its engine is added. (See Table 2)

Lockheed Awarded $5.8 Billion for Lot 5

Given the degree to which the JPO prices continue to vary compared to the total value of the various LRIP lots, and to determine whether the source of the discrepancy could be identified, we analyzed all of the Lot 5 contracts that have been made public by the Department of Defense.

According to this research, Lockheed has been awarded ten contracts for LRIP Lot 5, for a total value of $5,876 million (see Table 1). When this is divided by the number of aircraft (32), the cost of each airplane averages $183.6 million, or double the JPO prices detailed above.

Furthermore, once the cost of the Pratt & Whitney F-135 engine is added, the cost of a complete Lot 5 aircraft increases to $223.03 million. (As the final cost of LRIP 5 engines has not been finalized, we have used the $39.4 million cost of LRIP 4 engines).

We readily acknowledge that this this is an imperfect way of estimating unit costs. However, dividing the total cost of a production batch by the number of aircraft it comprises is, however imperfect and approximate, the most comprehensive way of determining the price taxpayers actually end up paying. And this approach leaves no room for creative accounting.

[DubiousKB]

Am i mistaken, but didn't a the ol' F-16 beat the F-35 in recent dogfights??   

[Muzzy]

I'm pretty sure the OP would say the P 39 could beat the F35 in a dogfight and some might even agree with him.

[JVboob]

I'm pretty sure the OP would say the P 39 could beat the F35 in a dogfight and some might even agree with him.

38 will beat mossie in a dog fight

[PR3D4TOR]

Hogwash...those are 2012 prices from Lockheed that are ridiculously optimistic and don't even include the cost of the engine. Nobody beleives an F-35 goes for a measly 100 million.

defense-aerospace.com:

That "journalist" is a typical example of people who don't know what the quoted numbers mean or represent. You will need to buy the engine separately because Lockheed Martin do not make engines. If you buy an F-16 (also a LM product) you will also need to buy an engine from GE or P&W.

The flyaway cost of an F-35A is now $98 million (+engine). However a deal with the USAF (or other air forces) includes a lot more than just the aircraft. It includes spare parts for 50 years and maintenance/logistics support from Lockheed Martin.

Back in 2013 the UAE bought 25 new F-16Es from Lockheed Martin in a deal worth 4-5 billion Dollars. That's up to 200 million per aircraft. Simply dividing the total Dollar amount of the deal by the number of aircraft does not tell you what the aircraft cost, because a deal includes so much more than just the planes.

And as I said in the other thread when you spouted more idiotic numbers from people who don't know what they represent: (And these numbers are flyaway costs for the aircraft alone.)

The cost of the F-35 is not insane at around $100 million per unit. An F/A-18E costs $60 million and has been in production for a long time. The current cost estimate for the F-35 is that by 2018 the unit flyaway cost has come down to $85 million.

A Eurofighter Typhoon will set you back $90 million. A Rafale costs $101 million. A new F-16 will cost you anywhere from $70 million to more than $100 million depending on what options you want.

[PR3D4TOR]

Am i mistaken, but didn't a the ol' F-16 beat the F-35 in recent dogfights??

You're mistaken.

A test aircraft without a lot of its systems flew a series of tests against an F-16 and the F-16 was found to be more maneuverable. No big surprise since the F-16 is more maneuverable than all other fighters in the world with the possible exception of the F-22 and the European double deltas. I would have been shocked if the F-35 could turn and burn with a Viper.