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Offline eagl

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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #195 on: February 14, 2017, 01:26:41 AM »
Just wait until you're on the wing of a tanker using covert lighting in layered clouds.  All my night work was pre-NVG, and after initial training we would switch off position lights and go with the little green formation strip lights only whenever possible.

And of course, night fingertip coming off the tanker straight into a previously unseen cloud deck that turns out to really be the fringes of a thunderstorm, yet I couldn't break out because we were still in the middle of a tanker stack with not much vertical separation for a 4-ship to do an immediate split up...  Fun times.

So don't worry, it gets worse.  You may get better at it, but its still a workout.  One of my biggest oh-shxt moments at night was on the wing of a tanker, 4-ship.  I was #2 and  totally fixated on my flight lead, but out of the corner of my eye I could see #3's AAR door light turn on as he eased into precontact position.  Then suddenly that light seemed to arc up and directly toward me, getting bright enough I thought he was going to ram me!  Holy shxt, no time to even break out, just wait to die in that half second... then the light goes out.

The stupid bastage had popped out a flare as he opened up the AAR door, and it looked exactly like he was going to ram right into me.  Guess he blew off the pre-AAR checklist and left the CMD armed.  Scared me half to death, probably blinded the boom operator staring at a bright magnesium flare 50 ft away with eyes that were fully night-adapted.

It gets better... Even though we were in a combat zone, he popped out ONE flare.  You might not know why that's significant now, but you will in a year or two.  A few old guys here probably know exactly what I mean when I say that popping out that flare was his second switch error, not his first.

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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #196 on: February 14, 2017, 09:18:19 AM »
If we were meant to fly at night Wilbur and Orville would have put nav lights on the Flyer!!!

A snappy salute to those doing night formation work.

An old F-4 guy told me about a night tanker evolution flying in slanted layers of clouds that was a vertigo inducer. 
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #197 on: February 14, 2017, 09:31:13 AM »
pilots are tested to not loose their minds.  reminds me of times i lose direction and have to trust alternate marks.  one trick is to not get lost in the mental confusion.  trusting your machine and the fact that one second ago everything was on course.  dont over react as you work to regain control.

what do you do in eagles position when you almost see a clear imminent threat?  i guess the shear speed of the event and his understanding of how critical his position was allowed the moment to settle.

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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #198 on: February 14, 2017, 03:28:02 PM »


It gets better... Even though we were in a combat zone, he popped out ONE flare.  You might not know why that's significant now, but you will in a year or two.  A few old guys here probably know exactly what I mean when I say that popping out that flare was his second switch error, not his first.

I've never seen an aircraft just drop one flare, so I'm going to say he had his switchology set wrong.  So if he really did need to confuse an IR missile, his single flare would have been useless.  Am I right?
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« Reply #199 on: February 14, 2017, 10:22:28 PM »
I've never seen an aircraft just drop one flare, so I'm going to say he had his switchology set wrong.  So if he really did need to confuse an IR missile, his single flare would have been useless.  Am I right?

All I can say is that it was significant :)
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #200 on: February 15, 2017, 05:44:58 AM »
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #201 on: February 15, 2017, 10:02:30 AM »
Crikies.  I guess next time make sure your canopy is squeaky clean? How's your night vision Serenity?

In the Army, of course a 1/2 our work is done in the dark. Many of our recruits never had worked in the dark (or drove in the pitch black) before so we had training exercises. We would just show them an obstacle course in the day, told them to take note of what they needed to know that they were going to do this same course at 2am in the morning. Then that night, we drove there with our black-out lights on. They would get out and try to remember the details of where everything was and complete the course. We would then do night marches.

What is interesting is that for most of us, there is a certain 'fear' of the dark. Our nato buddies over in Europe, especially the Germans, didn't fear the dark like us Canucks and American soldiers do.. (Curse you Freddy and Jason V.) - part of the culture.
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #202 on: February 15, 2017, 10:11:09 AM »
Crikies.  I guess next time make sure your canopy is squeaky clean? How's your night vision Serenity?

In the Army, of course a 1/2 our work is done in the dark. Many of our recruits never had worked in the dark (or drove in the pitch black) before so we had training exercises. We would just show them an obstacle course in the day, told them to take note of what they needed to know that they were going to do this same course at 2am in the morning. Then that night, we drove there with our black-out lights on. They would get out and try to remember the details of where everything was and complete the course. We would then do night marches.

What is interesting is that for most of us, there is a certain 'fear' of the dark. Our nato buddies over in Europe, especially the Germans, didn't fear the dark like us Canucks and American soldiers do.. (Curse you Freddy and Jason V.) - part of the culture.

My night vision is generally good, but there's an adjustment time. Unforunately we go from a brightly lit building, out to a brightly lit line area, to a TACAN RZ in just a couple of minutes, before the eyes can really adapt, and we don't have NVGs lol.

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« Reply #203 on: February 15, 2017, 11:04:16 AM »
So last night was... interesting.

It started out really well. What my IP from the first flight would have called "WAY too wide", my IP last night was calling a little tight. Being able to back off a foot or so was WONDERFUL. I felt like I could still see the lead, I was still in control of my jet, but I wasn't having to remind myself to breathe. It's amazing what one extra foot of spacing will do. Everything was standard and uneventful, right up until we came in for the section approach.

I was sidled up as I should be, lead had his boards out to slow us below 200kts (gear speed). "Profane, gear down flaps half, now, now, now". On the third 'now' I reached down, (never taking my eyes off of lead) to lower my gear, set my flaps to half, and bring my speedbrakes in (Boards come in when configuring on an instrument approach until "up and on glideslope"). As I see his gear begin to come down, I notice something uncomfortable. He's moving aft on my canopy. And not slowly! "F*** what did I do wrong?!" I'm thinking as I go PAINFULLY acute. As I'm looking 90 degrees down my shoulder, I go throttle idle, speed brakes back out. Slowly his aft movement stops. At this point, he's in parade position off of me! I'm still in formation mode, so the only thing going through my mind is getting back in position, and he's SLOWLY walking back forward. And I mean SLOWLY. It's here that I begin to start thinking through how I could possibly have gooned that away THAT badly. Did I not get the flap handle all the way to the half position? As I return to my place off of lead, I look into the cockpit, and in an instant go from prepared Student Naval Aviator to neanderthal. I key the ICS to my IP. I SHOULD say something like 'Sir, it appears the gear hasn't come down with the handle down and locked.' Instead all I manage is "NO GEAR LIGHT!" "Huh?" I get from the back cockpit. Now, my brain does the following acrobatics: If the gear isn't coming down, maybe the handle just isn't 'down enough', so I start HAMMERING it with the base of my fist, like Fred Flintstone in a jet... "Handle down no lights". About this time lead, who has seen me go CRAZY acute, but sees me back in position, wants to make his 'Six down and locked call', but he hasn't heard from me. "Profane 12, say your gear state". All I manage is "It's not working!" Not waiting for an explanation, he terminates the approach, calls the tower for Delta Easy (Orbiting over the field out of everyone's way to troubleshoot) and passes us the lead.

Now that I'm no longer trying to fly formation AND figure out my jet, my brain starts to return. My IP takes the controls, while I bust out the PCL (Pocket checklist) for "Gear Unsafe, Failure to Extend". Step one: Ensure the handle is down. I hit it pretty hard, MANY times. It's as down as it gets. Step two: Lights test. I flick the switch, and all of the lights for our gear illuminate. The bulbs aren't just burned out. Step three: Cycle the gear. Handle comes up, we feel a slight thunk, but not enough of one to indicate any substantial movement. Our wheels warning light comes on, as expected due to our slow speed and low power setting. We wait a few seconds and lower the gear handle again. Another slight thunk, but not NEARLY enough of one, and the lights don't come on. "You're still clean" calls 11. Okay, something is definitely broken. Time to get someone else on the line. We dial up Strike in the aux radio.

"Break break, Strike, Hawk 268"
"268, go ahead for strike."
"My wingman 211 is delta easy, gear unsafe fail to extend."
"Uh... yeah... okay... yeah... uh... let me get the book out."

He then reads off the procedures to us. We confirm we've already completed the first few. Step four: Emergency gear handle rotate and pull. The door light comes on first. That's a good sign... the seconds start ticking by. It's taking a LONG time, but we get a light for the left main. Then a few more seconds and the right main lights. Okay, two for three. The seconds are still grinding away. Then the nose wheel lights. "Thank god" I hear from the IP in the back.

"Strike, 211 is three down and locked."
"Roger, be advised with an emergency extend, nosewheel steering is unavailable" (THAT'S some great British engineering...)
"Roger, strike, we'll take the short field arrestment."

As my IP starts to set us up for a 5 mile straight in, I lock my harness to prepare for the trap. As we're trucking downwind, I realized I wasn't sure if 11 was still with us. I unlocked the harness and looked around, seeing him off our right wing, doing another visual inspection of our gear (As best he can in the dark). "Back me up on the scan" says my IP "Make sure I don't get slow". "Sir, would it be better if I take this from the front?" I asked, KNOWING he was going to say no. IPs ALWAYS insist on flying the emergency themselves, but I couldn't help myself. I HAD to try to get the trap. To my surprise, he comes back with "Sure! You've got the controls!" "I've got the controls" "You've got the controls. 5 mile straight in, and hopefully paddles gets out there in time to give you a talk down."

We drive to 6 miles south of the threshold before turning around. As we turn around, we hit our first wicket of 1,000ft, on speed, 5 miles on extended centerline.

"211, paddles, check flaps to half, clear for the short field arrestment, 35L"
"211, cleared 35L."
"211, I'll be talking you down 50 ft ahead of the gear. On touchdown, MRT, boards in, and rotate. If you hear 'Trap', you can go idle. No braking, flaps half"
"roger"

I set my velocity vector just short of the arresting gear indicator (A big yellow dot) and use throttle to stay on speed. Twice I got slightly low on glideslope, but that's not bad for a single-wire field arrestment. Better slightly low than slightly high. (The opposite of an approach to the boat). I can see the firetrucks lining the runway. 600 feet. 500 feet. 400 feet. The LAW goes off. I can see the landing light illuminating the runway. The wheels touch. MRT, boards in, "TRAP TRAP TRAP".

Now, those of you paying attention remember I unlocked my harness to look around. I didn't relock it. My head rockets forward, just missing the data entry panel under the hud. My arms go flying forward, as do my legs, leading to accidentally applying a little right brake, leading us off centerline. But we come to a stop, without any issue. The fire trucks come out, chock our wheels, check the jet over, and we shut down to be towed in. Looks like I got my first trap a month early!



Whoops... the firefighter is standing on centerline.



Just after shutting the engine down and securing everything.

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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #204 on: February 15, 2017, 11:16:02 AM »
I love this pic.


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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #205 on: February 15, 2017, 11:18:37 AM »
They gonna do a report of survey for the seat cushion?  :lol

Good job on the emergency landing.
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #206 on: February 15, 2017, 12:07:29 PM »
I love this pic.



That was the "I hope no one noticed I forgot to lock my harness" face lol.

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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #207 on: February 15, 2017, 01:40:10 PM »
wow, did not expect the story to finish like that.  :aok

p.s. check those straps!  :old:  :ahand

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« Reply #208 on: February 15, 2017, 02:47:06 PM »
Bustabloodvessel..wtg Spaz nice recovery
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #209 on: February 15, 2017, 04:10:25 PM »
Currently ignoring Vraciu as he is a whoopeeed retard.