No icons for AH3

[JunkyII]

GGed?

Or GeeG....Good Game instead of Good Fight like we have in Aces High.

[Invictus84]

Or GeeG....Good Game instead of Good Fight like we have in Aces High.

 

So in your view having No Icons would make AH more gamey?

[Invictus84]

GG means Good Game or slang for getting whooped. "GG noob"

Flying with icons off is great in the right setting, but it takes much more fighter combat understanding to be good at it.

You have to react a lot more quickly when the icons are off. You also have the ability to be very sneaky. If icons were off in the MA, and it was Axis V allies, you can bet I'd be eating noobs for dinner who didn't see me. Also, judging people's range from Icon distance is very built in. Without icon distance you have to judge your timing a lot more closely. Many players already have no clue about timing even when icons are on. Flying without Icons is much more challenging and takes a very good understanding of flight combat  and an even better understanding of Situation Awarness to be good at.

I like the icon distance in the FSO because it limits ganging. Instead of a guy 5K away who sees your fight to come gang. They have to be closer. You also can sometimes get a better jump on unsuspecting opponents, so it makes it more intense. With a 3K range it keeps the fights more compact because people typically need to stay in range to view their opponent.

Apologies, but this community has the oddest and most contradictory views of air combat and simulation I have ever come across.

So you like FSO too...oh wait....

Yes I liked FSO when I played AH II.   

[Karnak]

Not sure what you mean by that, and thay combination works quite well for the vast majority of other sims, BoS being a possible exception.  I'd add all of these sims have a far larger active user base than AH.  Doesn't make them right or AH users wrong, but it does open up questions why this difference of opinion exists.  I'm not really sure to be honest.

It is clunky as hell.

Yes, it is called a semi- realistic simulation of an actual combat situation.  With icons, much less chance of that happening.


GGed?

If by "realistic" you mean "horribly unrealistic", sure.

I've played enough no, or limited icons, to know it sucks.  I work 70 hours a week.  Chasing dots for 10 minutes that are running from a dot only to find that we're both friendlies is not fun.

Favoring ultra-low altitude combat is not realistic.

The number of players who are downed when they aren't in combat maneuvers in a no, or limited icon, environment is not realistic.

This request is about selective realism and nothing more.

[Invictus84]

It is clunky as hell.
If by "realistic" you mean "horribly unrealistic", sure.

I've played enough no, or limited icons, to know it sucks.  I work 70 hours a week.  Chasing dots for 10 minutes that are running from a dot only to find that we're both friendlies is not fun.

Favoring ultra-low altitude combat is not realistic.

I am really not following you.  Do you mean you have played enough with no icons in AH, other games or both?

What do you mean by favoring ultra-low altitude combat? Are you saying AH favors this, other games do or both?

The number of players who are downed when they aren't in combat maneuvers in a no, or limited icon, environment is not realistic.

A player downed when they aren't in combat maneuvers is called a "bounce".  It is the result of the pilot not seeing an enemy about to attack, also known as failing to maintain SA. Usually ends with the player dying.  This is not realistic?

[DmonSlyr]

Apologies, but this community has the oddest and most contradictory views of air combat and simulation I have ever come across.

Yes I liked FSO when I played AH II.

That's the second time you've knocked my post, and I don't even know you.

Do you want to go to the DA,  MA, or FSO, or AvA so can I can prove that you literally have no idea what you are talking about? Best fighter rank challenge, best to 5 in the DA, most kills in FSO,  Ill literally destroy you in any part of aircombat in AH.

[puller]

That's the second time you've knocked my post, and I don't even know you.

Do you want to go to the DA,  MA, or FSO, or AvA so I can I can prove that you literally have no idea what you are talking about? You sound like you know everything, but I'll literally destroy you in any part of flying in AH.

     I love it...

He don't play...

[The Fugitive]

That's the second time you've knocked my post, and I don't even know you.

Do you want to go to the DA,  MA, or FSO, or AvA so can I can prove that you literally have no idea what you are talking about? Best fighter rank challenge, best to 5 in the DA, most kills in FSO,  Ill literally destroy you in any part of aircombat in AH.

You forget to add the part about how your dad can beat up his dad too. 

[Invictus84]

That's the second time you've knocked my post, and I don't even know you.

Do you want to go to the DA,  MA, or FSO, or AvA so can I can prove that you literally have no idea what you are talking about? Best fighter rank challenge, best to 5 in the DA, most kills in FSO,  Ill literally destroy you in any part of aircombat in AH.

Probably, but I did not knock your post or challenge you to the DA or whatever.  I challenged this community's view of semi-realistic simulation conditions, and I am trying to understand what prompts this view. 

Are you and others saying the AH engine cannot render enough details at a distance to visually identify a contact?

He don't play...

Do we really need to go over this again? 

[Lusche]

A player downed when they aren't in combat maneuvers is called a "bounce".  It is the result of the pilot not seeing an enemy about to attack, also known as failing to maintain SA. Usually ends with the player dying.  This is not realistic?

This is 'realistic', and it happens in AH. Many of my deaths, and quite a lot of my kills, were the result of someone no keeping his SA up.

Are you and others saying the AH engine cannot render enough details at a distance to visually identify a contact?

No.
It's basically about the screens, not the AH engine.

[Zimme83]

And again: no icons would make it impossible so separate friend from foe so it's no point of debating it unless we add some other way of identification. Since we want all planes to be available to all players we would need something like a fixed skin that is clearly visible for each country, like red, blue and yellow, one color for each team.

[BFOOT1]

I would be more than happy to come to your house and every time you get a pilot wound, I hit you with a baseball bat.  how is that for playing with full realism.

semp

Semp this comment has officially made my day thank you sir 

[Invictus84]

And again: no icons would make it impossible so separate friend from foe so it's no point of debating it unless we add some other way of identification. Since we want all planes to be available to all players we would need something like a fixed skin that is clearly visible for each country, like red, blue and yellow, one color for each team.

I agree with you concerning the MA.  We were discussing no icons in the contect of the AvA or similar events, not the MA.

[Invictus84]

No.
It's basically about the screens, not the AH engine.

I can visually identify a Spitfire or Hurricane out to 4000m in CLoD, no icons, zoomed in. No zoom I can do so out to about 2500m.  These can vary a bit depending on the aspect of the target of course. My monitors are 4 year old Viewsonic 27" LCDs that are nowhere near state of the art.

My point is this appears to be a limitation of the AH engine.  If so I can understand the need for icons and the community's views on them.  Thank you for clearing that up for me.  Next time I am in the beta I will turn icons off to see if similar limitations apply.

[DmonSlyr]

I was referencing the difference of Icons off and on in the GAME. You have to really know how utilize BFM, SA, and ACM to be effective at No icon game play, much moreso than with Icons and distance indicators. There are different tactics you can employ with no icons. I try not to talk about "real life" fighter combat because it is entirely different for thousands of reason. I always relate my experience to the game. If I wanted to talk about real life flying, I'd be in a different forum.