No icons for AH3

[JunkyII]

So in your view having No Icons would make AH more gamey?

No, I was just using gamer slang....I would like no icons but I know the skill gap would increase even more then it is right now which wouldn't be good for keeping new players around after their 2 week free trial.

[Invictus84]

No, I was just using gamer slang....I would like no icons but I know the skill gap would increase even more then it is right now which wouldn't be good for keeping new players around after their 2 week free trial.

I was referencing the difference of Icons off and on in the GAME. You have to really know how utilize BFM, SA, and ACM to be effective at No icon game play, much moreso than with Icons and distance indicators. There are different tactics you can employ with no icons. I try not to talk about "real life" fighter combat because it is entirely different for thousands of reason. I always relate my experience to the game. If I wanted to talk about real life flying, I'd be in a different forum.

OK this makes more sense to me.  Thank you both for clearing that up.  I agree with your points of view, especially for new players.

Edit -  To be fair, I understand visibility is a hard thing to simulate on a PC and some games do it better than others.  In my opinion CLoD strikes a good balance between realism and gameplay.  DCS less so but still pretty good.  BoS is God awful, and that is a known problem I hope the developers fix one day but I won't hold my breath waiting. AH beta hasn't been a problem thus far but I really haven't done any actually testing.   

I personally think that AvA and FSO might benefit from no icons, but the reduced icon range probably works just as well.  3K icon range equates to what I can do in most no icons games so it is pretty much a wash.

 

[Krupinski]

I'm not saying every AvA or special event, but I would probably be more inclined to participate if one or two here and there had friendly icons set to 3k, and enemy icons completely off. It's a nice change of pace from the usual AH.

As for icons in the MA, I wish there were no distance indicators on enemies, and maybe friendlies. It'll make players focus more on the aircraft, rather than the little + or - symbol next to their distance.

[Invictus84]

I'm not saying every AvA or special event, but I would probably be more inclined to participate if one or two here and there had friendly icons set to 3k, and enemy icons completely off. It's a nice change of pace from the usual AH.

This seems like a resonable request and very much like War Thunder EC/Sim mode.

As for icons in the MA, I wish there were no distance indicators on enemies, and maybe friendlies. It'll make players focus more on the aircraft, rather than the little + or - symbol next to their distance.

This might be a bit much for the new guys on the block.  Then again, I flew AH for several years without paying attention to anything other than the plane type icon. 

[bustr]

I'm not saying every AvA or special event, but I would probably be more inclined to participate if one or two here and there had friendly icons set to 3k, and enemy icons completely off. It's a nice change of pace from the usual AH.

As for icons in the MA, I wish there were no distance indicators on enemies, and maybe friendlies. It'll make players focus more on the aircraft, rather than the little + or - symbol next to their distance.

AvA used to be 3k and none, I think they are back to 3k and 3k to get people to play in there. That voting with their feet thing customers do when they don't like something. I suspect Hitech gives the customers the +- and range numbers so most of his customers will stay near each other let alone get into fights.

Who knows going forward, the new graphics engine seems to visually present the dots outside of 6k better than AH2. Over two years of testing I've watched the dot clarity improve as Hitech tweeked the graphics. Gotta see how dots show up for the average paying customers when AH3 goes live. That was the problem in the AH2 AvA that made players vote with their feet.

[guncrasher]

I'm not saying every AvA or special event, but I would probably be more inclined to participate if one or two here and there had friendly icons set to 3k, and enemy icons completely off. It's a nice change of pace from the usual AH.

As for icons in the MA, I wish there were no distance indicators on enemies, and maybe friendlies. It'll make players focus more on the aircraft, rather than the little + or - symbol next to their distance.

you do understand that there's lots of us that cant see airplanes without an icon right?  I participate in fso's and I have missed bombers, p38's and just about every single aircraft when they are only 4k.

as for the airplanes it's hard to judge 800 or 600 and that makes a big difference.  at least for me.

semp

[DmonSlyr]

you do understand that there's lots of us that cant see airplanes without an icon right?  I participate in fso's and I have missed bombers, p38's and just about every single aircraft when they are only 4k.

as for the airplanes it's hard to judge 800 or 600 and that makes a big difference.  at least for me.

semp

Notice how you said that distance indicators help you decide timing.

That is exaclty what I was talking about in my first post.

Learning to judge the timing of planes with E and plane type is what separates the good from the FPHs.

[guncrasher]

Notice how you said that distance indicators help you decide timing.

That is exaclty what I was talking about in my first post.

Learning to judge the timing of planes with E and plane type is what separates the good from the FPHs.

I am not here to be good or an fph.  I am here to pretend to be a fighter pilot and drink a couple with some good friends.  take distance away and I might as well leave.  and so will lots of others.


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[Krupinski]

You're going to quit the game just because you have to learn to judge distance by yourself? lol please, be serious man.

That's why I included the maybe friendlies, I don't mind distance on friendlies... that way you can still tell how close they are to an enemy and be able to give them a check in time.

[Volron]

Hmmm, what if there was an arena option that would keep the +/- for the distance indicator's.  You won't see numbers, but you'd at least still have that +/- telling you if your closing or not.

[guncrasher]

You're going to quit the game just because you have to learn to judge distance by yourself? lol please, be serious man.

That's why I included the maybe friendlies, I don't mind distance on friendlies... that way you can still tell how close they are to an enemy and be able to give them a check in time.

I couldnt even see the airplanes on the floor in the ava with no icons.  much less judge distance.  why do you think I never played there even when pigs had squad night there.


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[Krupinski]

Get a better monitor? Use zoom? I don't know what to tell you, the game doesn't revolve around your individual needs.

[bustr]

Install the beta and go offline. Fly just out of range of the drones in the circle. The dots are now about 5x darker than they were in AH2 which makes them stand out larger and easier to see. I will bet the new graphics engine is easier for things like dots to be tweeked for everyone to see. 

Is this pissing match about AH2 or AH3, and how many of you are systematically testing the beta to determine how much visually in this regard has Hitech changed or updated things?

Wishing Hitech would change the game to your specification for a gamey utopia is fine. Wishing for Hitech to cut his economic throat because you don't like one of his large customer demographics is not going to happen as long as their credit cards clear each month. 

[guncrasher]

Get a better monitor? Use zoom? I don't know what to tell you, the game doesn't revolve around your individual needs.

you should think about that yourself.

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[Krupinski]