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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #255 on: May 13, 2017, 08:41:30 AM »
You have a couple of different things going on there Bizman.  I'd like to see a DXDIAG output of your computer.

Have any of you Windows 10 users gotten the Creators Update yet?  I have one report that it cured the DX11 pauses, but that is very early and only one report.  It may only mean the specific problem one user was having may have been corrected, but it still may not be related to the problem we are trying to nail down.
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #256 on: May 13, 2017, 09:26:33 AM »
My system was updated last week.  I still get micro pauses.  DX diag attached.

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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #257 on: May 13, 2017, 09:34:31 AM »
Here you go, Skuzzy.

You may find out that my Nvidia drivers are not the latest ones. These seem to work, the ones from the last half a year or so give me the "stopped responding" message.
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #258 on: May 13, 2017, 11:32:54 AM »
Bizman, your page file usage is larger than I would like to see.  I also noted you have overclocked the CPU.  Now, on that series you had to increase the FSB bus speed to overclock.  If the FSB is not an even divisor of the RAM speed, then you are running out of sync, which may cause some odd things to happen.

If you run CPUID (www.cpuid.com) and select the "Memory" tab, it will tell you what the FSB to DRAM ratio is.  For that CPU, 1:1 is best, but 1:2 is okay as well.  You want to avoid odd numbers, like 1:3, or 1:5.  I am not crazy about 1:4 either.

For that CPU, I have been setting the FSB to 400, and then adjusting the CPU multiplier down to 8, although you can try 9.  It is very stable and quick.

My system was updated last week.  I still get micro pauses.  DX diag attached.

Micro stutters are a different problem than the one we are trying to nail down.  Does it do it in the DX9 version?

You might want to disable that AMD HDMI audio pass through driver.  Right now, you have three devices fighting for the audio path.

I am not saying any of the above will correct anything, but it will allow for less resource fighting.

Thank you both, for the information
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #259 on: May 13, 2017, 12:01:45 PM »
Thanks, Skuzzy. Now I know better what to look at. My FSB to DRAM ratio is 1:1 so that should be no issue. I don't fancy odd numbers, either. 400 x 9.5 here, no issues that I can see. Then again, I may not necessarily know what to look at, only the obvious like blue screens.

As for the page file, how low should it be? It was double the amount before I rebooted.
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #260 on: May 13, 2017, 12:50:32 PM »
Disregard that comment about the page file Bizman.  I misread the numbers.

Do your pauses/stutters happen in DX9?
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #261 on: May 13, 2017, 01:34:38 PM »
Disregard that comment about the page file Bizman.  I misread the numbers.

Do your pauses/stutters happen in DX9?

Heh, you already got me worried a little bit, thinking I had missed something elementary...

Guess I should give Dx9 a try, never done that.

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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #262 on: May 14, 2017, 08:40:22 AM »
I don't use DX9.  When I do, I go from over 100 FPS to well under 60.
Will see about elimination the competition with sound.  Thanks :)

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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #263 on: May 14, 2017, 10:00:02 AM »
I don't use DX9.  When I do, I go from over 100 FPS to well under 60.
Will see about elimination the competition with sound.  Thanks :)

I have a theory about that.  The lower frame rate may be due to DX9 doing something DX11 is not doing in order to prevent resource starvation on the video card and that is why we do not see that long pause in DX9.

Just a theory, at the moment.

You should be running with vertical sync enabled, or is your monitor refresh rate over 60?
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #264 on: May 15, 2017, 10:02:51 AM »
Monitor refresh rate stated is 144 in documentation.  Video Card Settings shows it at 143.85.

The Aces High Video Settings for V sync is not checked.  Should this be checked or not checked?

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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #265 on: May 15, 2017, 10:24:01 AM »
Disable vsync should not be checked in the games "Video Settings".

Would you mind trying DX9 for a bit, just to see if the pause disappears?
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #266 on: May 15, 2017, 05:33:15 PM »
Will do.
Still had stutter a few moments ago with sound device disabled.  Had not checked the vsysnc square :)

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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #267 on: May 15, 2017, 06:04:10 PM »
Did a short 15 minute flight or so in a heavy P38L.  Dropped Bombs on DAR and used rockets on ground guns.  I then went to another field with a good bar dar both green and red.  Numbers went from a low of 71 to a high of 143, changing almost constantly.  I did not note a stutter or freeze.  I shall continue with DX 9 and will let you know if I see any stutters or pauses.  Thanks for the information.  :aok

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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #268 on: May 16, 2017, 06:01:14 AM »
Thanks for the testing.

I did not expect the errant sound device to be the cause.  Was just noting it was taking away resources.
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Re: The gumbo of stutters, pauses, freeze and other ingredients
« Reply #269 on: May 17, 2017, 05:19:31 PM »
Flew about two hours 5/16/17 using DX9 I melee.  Many times with very, very large DAR Bars.  No instance of stutter or Freeze on my system.  So, I guess if I do not require DX11 for play, then I shall stick with DX9.  Thanks for assistance  :aok