I'm officially part of the problem now :( Only on new map though.

[Wiley]

Yes this is sarcasm. You should not be required to fly around until killed, and thus bombers should not be required to do that either.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy of fighter pilots. 

Except there is a subtle difference between RTBing and landing, and disappearing from the air instantly.

Wiley.

[Vinkman]

Except there is a subtle difference between RTBing and landing, and disappearing from the air instantly.

Wiley.

There's a difference, but it's not relevant to the discussion because Buffs RTB too.  But when the mission is complete because you're out of ammo (or bombs) and you are now just a target you may choose to try to RTB or bail and get back to the action quicker. The only person you owe anything to is yourself. That goes for fighters and Buffs equally.

the real difference is that buffs are usually higher and slower and almost always over enemy territory, far from home. RTB takes much longer. why should he HAVE to take the long boring flight home because some fighter jock wants a target?

[Wiley]

There's a difference, but it's not relevant to the discussion because Buffs RTB too.  But when the mission is complete because you're out of ammo (or bombs) and you are now just a target you may choose to try to RTB or bail and get back to the action quicker. The only person you owe anything to is yourself. That goes for fighters and Buffs equally.

the real difference is that buffs are usually higher and slower and almost always over enemy territory, far from home. RTB takes much longer. why should he HAVE to take the long boring flight home because some fighter jock wants a target?

Because it's garbage gameplay.  Same as suicide jabos.  Like I said earlier, apparently you'd be cool with every enemy fighter bailing when they saw you if the situation wasn't to their liking?

Wiley.

[Vinkman]

Because it's garbage gameplay.  Same as suicide jabos.  Like I said earlier, apparently you'd be cool with every enemy fighter bailing when they saw you if the situation wasn't to their liking?

Wiley.

In the 9 years I've been playing AH, the percent of buffs that bail is <1%.  So I don't see that we are close to that scenario.

But If 100% of everyone bailed? I agree then it would be time to change something. 

[DubiousKB]

Nobody can force me to spend my time a specific way... But here we are. 

You call it garbage game play, I call it effective use of my exceedingly rare entertainment time and $15 subscription.

Give them airspawns and revoke it's use after bailing from a non-player damaged aircraft. Now they may be more inclined to RTB if it's half the time required...

I dunno what the answer is, but it's not telling other players what they can and cannot do in a game that has mechanics to allow for said action.

[Wiley]

In the 9 years I've been playing AH, the percent of buffs that bail is <1%.  So I don't see that we are close to that scenario.

But If 100% of everyone bailed? I agree then it would be time to change something. 

Overall, I somewhat agree it's a low percentage.  During off peak play, the percentage of bombers that bail goes up significantly.

Nobody can force me to spend my time a specific way... But here we are. 

You call it garbage game play, I call it effective use of my exceedingly rare entertainment time and $15 subscription.

Give them airspawns and revoke it's use after bailing from a non-player damaged aircraft. Now they may be more inclined to RTB if it's half the time required...

I dunno what the answer is, but it's not telling other players what they can and cannot do in a game that has mechanics to allow for said action.

*shrug*  If you want fast fast get into the game, immediately have action, have something identified by the game to do, accomplish it and get out, why are you here?

Wiley.

[JimmyD3]

Its  your money use it how you like, but bailing from any aircraft because you don't want to get shot down is bad form, if the enemy is within icon range. You have someone chasing you and you see them , don't be a jerk and bail because you can. Anyone can be a jerk, it takes effort to be a good sport.

[Vraciu]

Yes this is sarcasm. You should not be required to fly around until killed, and thus bombers should not be required to do that either.  I was pointing out the hypocrisy of fighter pilots. 

People who don't want to fly around and get killed should go play Pole Position. 

Bombing and bailing is gaming the game. 

[DubiousKB]

*shrug*  If you want fast fast get into the game, immediately have action, have something identified by the game to do, accomplish it and get out, why are you here?

Wiley.

Great question. Aces High? Should be called Aces Have To Be High to enjoy bomber climbout times.

Bailing to grief someone is different than bailing to save time. I love how it's a non-issue until a fighter jock feels slighted. Then we MUST CHANGE player behavior to suit the way I spend my time/money. 

*Shrug* Don't go after a single group of bombers, problem solved. Oh but wait, you want to kill bombers and they aren't allowing you to do that... CHANGE THE GAME!

[popeye]

How about this:  If a player bails from an undamaged bomber, the downtimes for the damage done by his bombs is cut in half.  The bomber guy saves time, the players resupplying the damage he did save time.   Everyone wins!   

[Lusche]

How about this:  If a player bails from an undamaged bomber, the downtimes for the damage done by his bombs is cut in half. 

Nose down.
Get speed.
Pull back the stick.
Wing break off. Bomber is damaged now.
Bail.

[Hungry]

Why does this remind me of an HO or Not debate, 

Play My Way or the Highway!!!   

 

[Wiley]

*Shrug* Don't go after a single group of bombers, problem solved. Oh but wait, you want to kill bombers and they aren't allowing you to do that... CHANGE THE GAME!

Please identify where I said "change the game".  Doesn't change the fact it's garbage gameplay.

Wiley.

[ccvi]

Please identify where I said "change the game".  Doesn't change the fact it's garbage gameplay.

Simply don't go after bombers you cannot catch before they reach their target.

There's no reason to do so. They will return anyway, because neither the player dies, nor are planes on short supply.

Hence, the only reason to go for them after the drop is easy kills. Which is, as you like to phrase it, "Garbage gameplay".

[Wiley]

Hence, the only reason to go for them after the drop is easy kills.

Not exactly.

1)  It can't be guaranteed he's empty and not headed for something else after the drop.
2)  Quite often the intercept occurs when they're very near/over target.
3)  Regardless of whether they've dropped or not, the "gameplay" is the same.  You're both able to shoot at each other.

Wiley.