How To Fix The Game

[FLS]

Does it have to be either?

Yes.

If you think I missed an alternative between same and different please enlighten us.

[CptTrips]

Yes.

If you think I missed an alternative between same and different please enlighten us.

Some of the same problems.
Some unique ones.

Is that not possible?  Can't it be a combination?

[FLS]

Some of the same problems.
Some unique ones.

Is that not possible?  Can't it be a combination?

Sorry, forgot who I was talking to. Yes of course it could be a combination of same and different reasons. I wasn't suggesting it had to be completely one or the other but I understand why you'd take it that way.

[Meatwad]

Yes, I tried to take off this morning using a mouse only set up and ended up turning hard left and bouncing off of a gun emplacement. Yes, my rudder keys (not rudder trim) were set but no input from the right rudder key was registered until I got in to the air.

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I used a mouse last night to fly around and I had no issues at all getting into the air and flying around as long as I didnt touch it and let the auto takeoff do its thing

[ccvi]

I believe this is what happened to War Birds.

My guess would be that WB lost most players to AH due to price.

[CptTrips]

Sorry, forgot who I was talking to. Yes of course it could be a combination of same and different reasons. I wasn't suggesting it had to be completely one or the other but I understand why you'd take it that way.

And I wouldn't know what those are anyway.

As I've said, I've spent most of the last 20 years in either Aces High or Battlefield.  I feel comfortable expressing an opinion about those, but I don't know enough about Warbirds to hazard an analysis. 

My experience with Warbirds was very brief, yet ironically too long.

[FLS]

My guess would be that WB lost most players to AH due to price.

I like to think it's the better flight model.

[guncrasher]

Think the easiest way to change the game is change the way we play.  Just little things. This is what I noticed just in the past week.

- give new players a chance.  There was this guy that kept bringing b17's at 5k. He was getting killed alot. I looked at his score, I asked others to give him a kill or two, I got right behind him, got killed, a guy or two did the same. He still died a lot but I he had fun, as he kept coming.

-stop whining about people switching to other countries.

-forget about trying to have honor in this game and concentrate on having fun

-change in code will not make it more fun but your attitude change and expectations will

Feel free to add more or complain. Code can't change how we play.


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[ccvi]

I like to think it's the better flight model.

The better flight model came with AH2. At that time WB was already practically without players. But yes, the game itself also contributes. AH became both more advanced and cheaper. Nevertheless some players stayed in WB, likely for the same reason some players stick with AH. With an unlimited players open world 24h persistent arena in IL2, WT, or DCS below the monthly fee of AH, it would soon be where WB is now.

[FLS]

The better flight model came with AH2. ...

I believe the flight model was the best in the world right from the start.

[Vraciu]

Think the easiest way to change the game is change the way we play.  Just little things. This is what I noticed just in the past week.

- give new players a chance.  There was this guy that kept bringing b17's at 5k. He was getting killed alot. I looked at his score, I asked others to give him a kill or two, I got right behind him, got killed, a guy or two did the same. He still died a lot but I he had fun, as he kept coming.

-stop whining about people switching to other countries.

-forget about trying to have honor in this game and concentrate on having fun

-change in code will not make it more fun but your attitude change and expectations will

Feel free to add more or complain. Code can't change how we play.


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Wanna bet?

[Vraciu]

The better flight model came with AH2. At that time WB was already practically without players. But yes, the game itself also contributes. AH became both more advanced and cheaper. Nevertheless some players stayed in WB, likely for the same reason some players stick with AH. With an unlimited players open world 24h persistent arena in IL2, WT, or DCS below the monthly fee of AH, it would soon be where WB is now.

I found the AH flight model annoying when I first started, specifically the head shift and tail wag aspects.   I got used to the former but the latter has never sat right with me.   So, if anything, the differences between WBs and here were an impediment not an attraction.     People don’t like change...

[bustr]

If you take the time to sift through the negative comments over in Steam, you will notice a couple of things.

1. Maintaining a free account to zip around empty arenas is off putting and not worth their time.

2. Paying a sub fee to zip around an arena that doesn't really have steady player numbers is not worth their money or time.

This can be addressed with a few mid level FREE 24x7 rides, a real free account. Then for the WT weenies only when those few rides are in mouse mode flying give them a limited F3 mode. Make sure with mouse flying the rudder keys have authority on the ground. Only Lazor can abuse it and so what. I would recommend the few free rides cannot carry ordinance, just air to air ability. That would probably cut down on the chances of a persistent freeloader sub culture. Make all manned guns free and even give them one tank. PanzerF or T34\65 or an M4 and let them run supplies with the M3. Let them be bomber gunners, lord knows they might make some friends being helpful and want to upgrade and pay $14.95 to be with their friends.

Hardcore killer loners who play combat games are not the majority. It's people playing to be entertained with the possibility of being involved with other players accomplishing something together. Games today are social media nexus,  entertainment, and accomplishing something in a sedentary culture. That is part of why WT is still with us becasue it targeted those factors from it's inception. The complaints at Steam are indicators of what none baby boomers are looking for. Baby boomers don't mind suffering for their fun, it's generational. The customers at Steam refuse to suffer to have fun and vote with their feet and wallets. All of these how to save AH discussions fail becasue the solutions are only appealing to baby boomers and our egos.

Any of you who play other games not DCS or IL2 know what I'm describing about none baby boomer game players. AH3 is not attractive to younger people as it's being made available to them now. AH becasue of it's low numbers in the MA is very slow, way too slow for the younger generations. All of you gents in this post should get a free account at PlanetSide 2 and play for a month. Then rethink the differences in game flow speed related to younger demographic game playing expectations. That is part of why I've taken up playing PlanetSide 2 so I can observe the only real demographic with any numbers out there for the future of AH. PS2 reminds me of the MA in 2007 and plays a lot like the MA back then right down to it being a 3 country war. Hitech obviously knows something since PS2 can get upwards sometimes of 3000 players into an 8km x 8km arena.

You old fougies are missing the mark.

[FLS]

Curious which aircraft you would pick for the freebie?

[guncrasher]

Wanna bet?

I was referring to player behavior. Code won't change that.


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