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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #120 on: December 22, 2020, 12:01:26 PM »
yeah he has turned his back on our allies and made our country a laughing stock.

We are speaking about Trump, not Obama.

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #121 on: December 22, 2020, 12:09:37 PM »
I would give credit to the bias press for brain washing so many into hate orange man drones ...

..but that requires a brain to wash

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #122 on: December 22, 2020, 12:17:56 PM »
There is no one left to stand up to Chinese.

Dont talk about the Russians they are just laughing at the West and especially the US.

Talking about Russian cyber war, hilarious.

CNN and the rest are all the enemies of Democracy need.

You lot have voted a kid sniffing President.

China have decimated the Western economies and your liberals say nothing.

Bidens family IS implicated in Russia and Chinese money....fact

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #123 on: December 22, 2020, 12:29:54 PM »
Lets flip the question just to try answer your question.

How is it a president who fosters the first peace deals in the Middle east in 40 years, is the first president in 40 years not to engage our military in new military battles,  had a 49 year unemployment low, generated the lowest African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded, lifted more then 3 million people off of food stamps, created better trade deals with Mexico and Canada , is the first president to say screw you to the politically correct / identity politics  crowd , does not receive more respect.

Now there are many more things that Trump has done that conservatives think are great that you might disagree with, but I intentionally left those out. But they do effect how conservatives think about him.

My point is not that Trump is in anyway perfect.Most conservatives see the faults. But I do ask myself could some one with out Trumps faults have accomplished the things Trump has .

You appear to have  confirmation bias about the good things trump has done. What I personal like most about him is how he has shown a light on the culture war and showed what side most of the media are on in that war by making their heads explode when he refuse to act as they wish.

The other thing some people recognize is the non filter on trump. It is our view that he says what he thinking. In my opinion he uses to much hyperbole,but for many of us after listening to most politicians who always have a hidden agenda and lie straight to you face to try achieve their real goal, I have never seen that in Trump.

When we look at what he promised in his 2016 campaign, we see he did his best to try accomplish all his promises. Biden promised to give free health care to all illegal  immigrants ,  do you believe he really wants to do that?

In 2016 I was not a Trump supporter, I wanted Cruz (my senator) to get the nomination. I had a very bad view of trump for many of the reasons you state. For a month or more after the convention I considered voting 3rd party.But I voted for Trump because my view was that Hillary would take us down a bad path. Trumps promise on the SC nominees was worth the risk.  Hence Trump was the less of two evils.

Since he was elected he was trying to accomplish more conservative goals  then I had ever thought possible. When I saw this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZAKpjIpLFI

Of trump shaking hands with out a break, it gave me a view of what was important to trump. For an hour straight he makes sure he congratulate each an every cadet.

So I do not believe anything I post would turn you into a Trump supporter, but your question was 

I believe I have layed out many valid reasons ( you might disagree with there weight)  for supporting trump if you are a conservative.

But to answer in one phase, Trump was the first president since Regan that earned  conservatives trust by constantly fighting for conservative values.

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With all due respect, I don't believe you have answered my question by listing accomplishments that have, I would hope you might consider, debatable impact. And I have not and will not counter with any of his significant embarrassments - that only leads to senseless debate about things past. 
His apparent charisma blossomed even before the 2016 election and his base grew like a virus. It is that growth that baffles me. I believe most can see he built his base by viciously talking about the wrongs and failure of others and at the same time, suggesting he would be solution to all ills. Maybe for me alone, but claims such as this lead me to more doubt than confidence.
Just one more observation, I appreciate the term "conservative values" but I also appreciate "liberal values" (if that too is a term). They are both American values and hence by the very nature of a free society, they both have merit. To suggest that one side is right and the other wrong is intellectually corrupt. A stable community can only arise from discussion and compromise.
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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #124 on: December 22, 2020, 12:36:33 PM »
yeah he has turned his back on our allies and made our country a laughing stock. Turn off Faux news and pay attention to THE REST OF THE WORLD! You would think, given the game we are playing here, you guys would understand the stupidity of isolationism and rampant nationalism. But...people are stubborn. All I can say is good luck! I know this is tough for right wingers to understand, but its not all about you and your beliefs. Other people matter too.

The reasons u state are fake news hysteria.  You ignore the big picture.  And honestly, I dont see anyone else out there that has the ability to negotiate for America as Trump has.  For example, the trade deficit problem with china has been tought is schools for decades.  Why did nobody do anything about it?

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« Reply #125 on: December 22, 2020, 12:41:55 PM »
Because no one wanted a jacked up economy killing virus to be released during their swing at bat

And bet your sweet worthless dollar that lesson did not go unheeded by the rest

China is set to do whatever they want to do

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #126 on: December 22, 2020, 12:45:24 PM »
You ignore the big picture.  And honestly, I dont see anyone else out there that has the ability to negotiate for America as Trump has.

Nnnnnnnope.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #127 on: December 22, 2020, 12:46:45 PM »

But to answer in one phase, Trump was the first president since Regan that earned  conservatives trust by constantly fighting for conservative values.


In Reagan's case, conservative values were making the lower class even more separated from the upper class. With the economic acts in his first term, he lowered the taxes on the super rich by a great margin. The Recovery Act of 1981 lowered taxes across the board, but the highest brackets took the biggest cut, therefore enabling further economic inequality. The 1982 tax increase removed a tax cut at the bottom and middle, but kept tax cuts (especially those for corporations) at the top. In 1984, he closed many loopholes that allowed lower and middle class citizens to forgo some taxes, therefore increasing taxes on the lower and middle class. Reagan was only interested in removing government from business and allowing the rich to continue being the ruling class. He spoon fed it to the public with the idea that the wealth at the top would find its way to the bottom. It still hasn't.
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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #128 on: December 22, 2020, 12:53:33 PM »
With all due respect, I don't believe you have answered my question by listing accomplishments that have, I would hope you might consider, debatable impact.

How's that wall coming, BTW? 

How much of it is new footage as opposed to just replacing existing fence?

How much of it has Mexico agreed to pay for?


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« Reply #129 on: December 22, 2020, 12:55:37 PM »
Pretty sure any dollar I earned in the 80's was from rich guys pocket so it did trickle down

Poor ppl dont own businesses

Nope didn't get rich but worked hard and long and provided for my young family while I was in my 20's

I think the occupy wallstreet mindset thinks the workers should make as much as the ceo on day one

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #130 on: December 22, 2020, 01:00:07 PM »
Pretty sure any dollar I earned in the 80's was from rich guys pocket so it did trickle down

Poor ppl dont own businesses

Nope didn't get rich but worked hard and long and provided for my young family while I was in my 20's

I think the occupy wallstreet mindset thinks the workers should make as much as the ceo on day one

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Does a worker make considerably more (like 1000%+ more) than he/she did in the 80s? Does a CEO make considerably more now than he/she did in the 80s? The relative wages from the 1980s have not changed all that much, but corporate profits and CEO salaries have drastically increased. That is a problem.
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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #131 on: December 22, 2020, 01:01:25 PM »
Capitalists make money and employ people.

Stop this class system narrative it’s nonsense and you know it.

Wealth has not trickled down?

Everyone has a iphone, everyone has a car everyone has the interenet.

In your Communist ideology everyone is free to have nothing.

If you think everyone is poorer than in the 1950’s your either a simpleton or a devious liar.

The standard of living is increasing all over the world.

The child mortality in Africa is at the same rate as 1960’s America and dropping.

So stop this Marxist socialist lie!

Everywhere the Marxists were the people suffered.

Reagan also destroyed the Soviet Union....FACT

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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #132 on: December 22, 2020, 01:03:22 PM »
Does a worker make considerably more (like 1000%+ more) than he/she did in the 80s? Does a CEO make considerably more now than he/she did in the 80s? The relative wages from the 1980s have not changed all that much, but corporate profits and CEO salaries have drastically increased. That is a problem.

In the 50's and 60's at the height of our American prosperity age, CEO's on average made about 600x the salary of one of their average workers.  Now it's at ludicrous level.
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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #133 on: December 22, 2020, 01:05:47 PM »
Capitalists make money and employ people.

Stop this class system narrative it’s nonsense and you know it.

Wealth has not trickled down?

Everyone has a iphone, everyone has a car everyone has the interenet.

In your Communist ideology everyone is free to have nothing.

If you think everyone is poorer than in the 1950’s your either a simpleton or a devious liar.

The standard of living is increasing all over the world.

The child mortality in Africa is at the same rate as 1960’s America and dropping.

So stop this Marxist socialist lie!

Everywhere the Marxists were the people suffered.

Reagan also destroyed the Soviet Union....FACT

You win. I'll take my leave.
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Re: For Trump Lovers
« Reply #134 on: December 22, 2020, 01:05:55 PM »

Trump down in the Fuhrer bunker, coming apart at the seams with his enemies closing in.

I hope he is suffering.  Snicker.

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-trumps-presidency/ 
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