Who wants a secure border?

[Arlo]

[guncrasher]

that is one funny video 


semp

[Brooke]

And vanity walls are vulnerable to $5 ladders.

Yep.  Walls and fences do have vulnerabilities.  They aren't 100%.

Still, they provide reduction, which is why they are around airports, military bases, pools, storage facilities, etc.

Also, just because there is a wall or fence doesn't mean there is no surveillance/sensors.  Typically, walls/fences have some of that, too.

Some examples of success:

Hungary put fences across its border with Serbia.  Illegal immigration declined 95%.

Israel built walls on its border.  Attacks through that border declined by 90%.

US built fences on San Diego's border.  Illegal immigration there declined 95%.

[Eagler]

All for razor wire tops on any border fence or wall

Would like drones, choppers and 4 wheel drives about 40 billion dollars worth spent on the border way before its sent to corrupt Ukraine

Eagler

[DmonSlyr]

Yep.  Walls and fences do have vulnerabilities.  They aren't 100%.

Still, they provide reduction, which is why they are around airports, military bases, pools, storage facilities, etc.

Also, just because there is a wall or fence doesn't mean there is no surveillance/sensors.  Typically, walls/fences have some of that, too.

Some examples of success:

Hungary put fences across its border with Serbia.  Illegal immigration declined 95%.

Israel built walls on its border.  Attacks through that border declined by 90%.

US built fences on San Diego's border.  Illegal immigration there declined 95%.

Don't let facts get in the way of their human and drug trafficking operartions, Brooke.

[RUSH1]

per U.S. Customs and Boder Protection.  Keep in mind there are still a few months left in the '22 fiscal year for the numbers to surpass FY21, which it will.     

Total CBP Enforcement Actions
Numbers below reflect Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 - FY 2022.

Fiscal Year 2022 runs October 01, 2021 - September 30, 2022.

                                                                            FY17           FY18           FY19           FY20           FY21           FY22YTD
Office of Field Operations (OFO) Total Encounters1   216,370   281,881   288,523   241,786   294,352   308,868
U.S. Border Patrol Total Encounters2                           310,531   404,142   859,501   405,036   1,662,167   1,444,886
Total Enforcement Actions                                           526,901   683,178   1,148,024   646,822   1,956,519   1,753,754

Sorry, but this is on purpose. 

[Arlo]

So, these rising numbers are supposed to reflect 'open borders?'

[CptTrips]

So, these rising numbers are supposed to reflect 'open borders?'

Actually those numbers don't say anything about the rate of border crossings.  It is simply the numbers of cases where the CBP intercepted migrants.


So you could just as easily argue this show border security has been stepped up and the current administration is putting much more effort in to secure borders than the previous guy who put most of his effort into playing golf at his hotels.

[RUSH1]

So, these rising numbers are supposed to reflect 'open borders?'

Open border, lax border, incentivized border, however you would like to describe it.   

[Arlo]

Open border, lax border, incentivized border, however you would like to describe it.

Seems like you have trouble finding sources and means to prove a point.

[RUSH1]

Actually those numbers don't say anything about the rate of border crossings.  It is simply the numbers of cases where the CBP intercepted migrants.


So you could just as easily argue this show border security has been stepped up and the current administration is putting much more effort in to secure borders than the previous guy who put most of his effort into playing golf at his hotels.

I can argue that the sky is purple, but I would sound like a dumboscar.   

[CptTrips]

I can argue that the sky is purple, but I would sound like a dumboscar.

So you admit that chart doesn't denote the rate of border crossings?  Only the increase in interceptions?

[RUSH1]

Seems like you have trouble finding sources and means to prove a point.

What point is that spinmeister?

[Arlo]

What point is that spinmeister?

A rational person might think this was your 'point':

Anyone have those pre Biden crossing numbers?  Why are we talking about a wall that was never built instead of just comparing illegal entree numbers between the present and previous administration?  And then ask ourselves why?  After all, everyone in this thread claims to be for securing our southern border.  So what happened?

[RUSH1]

So you admit that chart doesn't denote the rate of border crossings?  Only the increase in interceptions?

Or you could look up the illegal migrant population increase over the same period?  Or were they parachuted in?