Spins

[Oldman731]

Doing spins was standard for flight school in the late 1970's for me, too, in Cessna 152's.

By the time I got my flight training (2006-7) the FAA had removed spins from training requirements, on the theory that more people were getting killed practicing spins than were actually entering spins by accident.  I had one CFI refuse to teach me spins.  Fortunately I had another who was happy to do it (but a bit nervous until we actually started doing them).

I think the FAA was nuts to eliminate the training. 

- oldman

[bj229r]

Were there incidents of crashes from teaching sessions of that?

[Rocco]

That is the other side of it. My aerobatics instructor told me about a time he was teaching spins to a new ppl student and the student froze. He just held the controls in place. My instructor had to hit him to get him to let go. I think they ended up going through minimum recovery altitude before he was able to get control.

I get where the FAA and TC are coming from but the point isn't just learning how to recover from a spin, it's developing that familiarity with unusual attitudes so if something weird does happen you don't lock up.

[TyFoo]

Mandatory Spin training in the U.S. was eliminated back 1949-1950.  Spin training is still required for Certified Flight Instructor candidates.

Most GA aircraft i.e. Cessnas, and Pipers will not stay in a spin if within CG limits due to their inherent design in stability.

[Rocco]

Mandatory Spin training in the U.S. was eliminated back 1949-1950.  Spin training is still required for Certified Flight Instructor candidates.

Most GA aircraft i.e. Cessnas, and Pipers will not stay in a spin if within CG limits due to their inherent design in stability.

Interesting. In Canada it was definitely part of the private and commercial flight tests in 2002-2005.

[Busher]

Mandatory Spin training in the U.S. was eliminated back 1949-1950.  Spin training is still required for Certified Flight Instructor candidates.

Most GA aircraft i.e. Cessnas, and Pipers will not stay in a spin if within CG limits due to their inherent design in stability.

I have never flown any of the modern trainer type singles. If they will not stay in a low airspeed spin until corrected, I gather that they will end up in a screaming spiral dive. Seems to me that is likely to damage the airframe with speed and significant G stresses.

[Shuffler]

Recent....

[Busher]

I found this video of a stable spin. It's quite clear that airspeed remains low and stable during the spin and requires no pilot input until recovery is initiated. Airspeed only increases during the recovery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9T5m2eRJo

[icepac]

150 aerobatic was my primary trainer like others here and am alarmed by the lack of unusual attitudes training.     
I trained it all and while under the hood

[jigsaw]

A couple additional trainings I've always recommended to pilots, especially if they were my students, are an EMT program with someone like Rich or where I did mine at https://fightercombat.com/ ,  and the High Altitude Chamber training.

I've had real world experiences in both cases in a situations where the training kicked in and I was able to think... "Hey I remember this, and how to get out of it" 

[Eagler]

How does one get out of an upside down spin in a spit?

Saw one of those in MNM

Eagler

[Shuffler]

How does one get out of an upside down spin in a spit?

Saw one of those in MNM

Eagler

Use the ground



 


Seriously the video I posted above was training in a twin. They accidently got theirs elves in a flat spin and impacted the ground flat.

[Eagler]

That did stop that spit

Eagler

[Puma44]

In USAF Undergraduate Pilot Training we spun the T-37 every which way but loose.  Every possible configuration was taught for spin recovery, clean, full landing configuration, single engine in each of those, and into the simulated dead engine & away from it.  Became almost routine and boring after awhile, sort of (except, we didn’t have the dramatic music playing).

[Busher]

How does one get out of an upside down spin in a spit?

Saw one of those in MNM

Eagler

Apply opposite rudder to stop the rotation of the spin and then apply elevator to reduce angle of attack. Do Not use ailerons.