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What happened to rock/music
« on: January 02, 2025, 09:49:47 AM »
For those interested

Both vids are little wordy, but both dig down to the implosion of rock and todays music.


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Re: What happened to rock/music
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2025, 11:57:51 AM »
Pretty much on the money, pun intended. I didn't realize exactly how it happened in radio, but MS radio is absolutely garbage now. I have thought for a very long time to try to open a local radio station to promote local artist but I'm sure I'd have to claw through hell... not only have I witnessed the decline of alternative rock, they have also manipulated it into what I call "Festival Rock" which is sorta girly if you ask me. Bands like 21 pilots, Imagine Dragons, ect. (Which I'm not saying are bad but...) you really have to go out of your way to find real powerful rock music today.

Rock music is not dead. It's the MSM and radio industry that's trying to kill it or manipulate it into pop rock away from heaviness and power.

When they got rid of 96 Rock and 99X in Atlanta, thats when I realized what was going on.

I'm so sick of the MS Music industry I could go on and on.

No local radio,
No local artists getting any attention really at all.
Anything harder than Godsmack ain't gonna make the radio
They don't even have stations for good trance, electronica, or Future Garage. It's ridiculous.
Same 2 songs from the same 10 bands over and over again.. so many good songs that never got played.


There are many bands I'm just now finding out about from the early 2000s that I cannot believe I've never heard of before. I search youtube and just click random bands just to see how they sound and go through their records on Spotify to find the best songs.

Pandora was the best thing to happen in the mid 2005s where it introduced me to so many different types of music and metal bands. It was a life saver. I use to listen to some awesome heavy metal music late into the night playing AH. A favorite past time of mine.

I feel like so many people never understand the true power of music because all they hear their entire life is the same MS songs over and over again from the radio. It's sad really. Music can heal you, it's literally a vibrational drug, and so many don't know or understand the power of it, which is why the MSM producers push garbage nasty rap/pop that influences poor behavior. The old conspiracy was paying rappers to push garbage to get more in private prisons. What a complete shame. Most don't understand the power of music because they are trapped by MSM garbage and don't venture out to find other artists.

So many bands didn't get the notoriety they deserved because of the stupid main stream radio stations manipulating to only play 1 or 2 songs from the main "approved" rock bands, and many of those were sellouts who changed their sound for the Main Stream producers. We've seen time and time again bands with great albums early on turn to girly crap in the years later. To harp on the Taylor Swift crazy, they realized a while back that 13 year old girls run the music industry, so that's what they push, disregard everyone else and their music interest.

Here is my Power Rock Playlist. How many of these bands from the early 2,000s have you heard? I just found some of these songs last year... its a shame because they are really good.



https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6dNYr05wlrChXj7KhBYc0i?si=U5O-ZwdoSpmXI26K9An6jg&pi=6fQu6mG6QSSSe
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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2025, 12:42:02 PM »
Watched the rock and roll hall of fame show last night..

Didn't understand putting hip hop "artists" into it..seemed some were understandably upset with this nomination taking decades while others with much less success getting in before them..

Made a joke out of entire thing imo

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2025, 01:02:04 PM »
Pretty much on the money, pun intended. I didn't realize exactly how it happened in radio, but MS radio is absolutely garbage now. I have thought for a very long time to try to open a local radio station to promote local artist but I'm sure I'd have to claw through hell... not only have I witnessed the decline of alternative rock, they have also manipulated it into what I call "Festival Rock" which is sorta girly if you ask me. Bands like 21 pilots, Imagine Dragons, ect. (Which I'm not saying are bad but...) you really have to go out of your way to find real powerful rock music today.

Rock music is not dead. It's the MSM and radio industry that's trying to kill it or manipulate it into pop rock away from heaviness and power.

When they got rid of 96 Rock and 99X in Atlanta, thats when I realized what was going on.

I'm so sick of the MS Music industry I could go on and on.

No local radio,
No local artists getting any attention really at all.
Anything harder than Godsmack ain't gonna make the radio
They don't even have stations for good trance, electronica, or Future Garage. It's ridiculous.
Same 2 songs from the same 10 bands over and over again.. so many good songs that never got played.


There are many bands I'm just now finding out about from the early 2000s that I cannot believe I've never heard of before. I search youtube and just click random bands just to see how they sound and go through their records on Spotify to find the best songs.

Pandora was the best thing to happen in the mid 2005s where it introduced me to so many different types of music and metal bands. It was a life saver. I use to listen to some awesome heavy metal music late into the night playing AH. A favorite past time of mine.

I feel like so many people never understand the true power of music because all they hear their entire life is the same MS songs over and over again from the radio. It's sad really. Music can heal you, it's literally a vibrational drug, and so many don't know or understand the power of it, which is why the MSM producers push garbage nasty rap/pop that influences poor behavior. The old conspiracy was paying rappers to push garbage to get more in private prisons. What a complete shame. Most don't understand the power of music because they are trapped by MSM garbage and don't venture out to find other artists.

So many bands didn't get the notoriety they deserved because of the stupid main stream radio stations manipulating to only play 1 or 2 songs from the main "approved" rock bands, and many of those were sellouts who changed their sound for the Main Stream producers. We've seen time and time again bands with great albums early on turn to girly crap in the years later. To harp on the Taylor Swift crazy, they realized a while back that 13 year old girls run the music industry, so that's what they push, disregard everyone else and their music interest.

Here is my Power Rock Playlist. How many of these bands from the early 2,000s have you heard? I just found some of these songs last year... its a shame because they are really good.



https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6dNYr05wlrChXj7KhBYc0i?si=U5O-ZwdoSpmXI26K9An6jg&pi=6fQu6mG6QSSSe

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From the mid 60s-mid-late80s, local "agents/promoters" would attend bar band shows. And in the 70s-80s we gave them a LOT to see in a bar. Competition for that reason was full throttle.
In the early 80s when I was getting my chops together, I ran with some metal or classic rock bands. They were everywhere. On Chicago West suburbs (of the rich) there musta been 50 rock clubs within a 50 mile radius, which all ran bands 5-7 days a week. Out of those bar shows came REO Speedwagon, Cheap Trick, The Hounds, Chicago (I have a personal story about that band) Yanni, etc. We would literally, take in concert scale gear, lights and pyro into these large bars, that held 50-3000. We were bright and very loud, every band competed for having the biggest production. And Agents would come to see it all, and once in a while they'd pick a local band to open for a national act they were promoting. But for most local bands, after that adrenaline rush and then nothing else coming of it, it deflated them, and a lot of bands dispersed.

we have a cpl radio stations out here that tried what you suggest, it kinda always balanced on a razor blade, the some of the audience was like Meh!. They wanted to hear what they bought. It was mostly music connoisseurs who tuned in. One DJ friend of mine tried your idea on radio and newspapers for 40 yrs, same results. Back int he 80s there were mags out everyone read, because everyone bought them to see their friends bands in print. They are still around but down from 40 pages to 3-4.

Now days you just don't have that agent lurking feel, nor the gear. Most of it is now stick speaker systems and a few LED lights. So even more slips through the cracks.

My best example. 2007. I had done a LOT of bands of all genres. A sound company that had hired me as an employee, the owner comes to me and says "We have a present for you, a gift show". <blank stare> I'm like what does that mean, sometimes "gifts" turn out to be a nightmare joke, sarcasm. They would not tell me who it was, but now I'm on edge. I like to know what I'm walking into, who I'm dealing with and use their reputation as what I might be in for, good or bad. Finally they ask, "do you know who Joe Bonamassa is? I said no, they said well then it's a gift, he was a child prodigy, that's all we're saying. <scratches head> Could not find a damn thing about this guy.

Setting up the stage, I'm mixing monitors so I'm designing that setup to his stage plot. Kinda busy. Some dweeb comes up to me and ask "when are you going to get to my gear?". I wasn't very charming that day and said, Look, I'm just doing what your FOH told the should be done. Basically, go away and stay away. lol. Never pester a monitor engineer. They are usually stressed out from the weight on their shoulders. (grumpy). :)

OK, so we do sound check without the main artist, all is cool. Loud AF on stage. Start the show, go into first song without the artist. Then they are announced and he walks out.....and here comes that little squirrel I shrugged off during setup. Whoops!. Kinda figure this is gonna be a suck show, I was pranked. Kinda rock-blues, meh!!

Then he started playing <jaw drop>, by the 3rd song my jaw just stayed dropped through the whole show. His guitar playing and band was just stunning. And everyone who sees him say the same. I mean he never ever hits a bad note. Kinda mind blowing talent. I wish he'd play more upbeat stuff. <shrug>

My point. I've done 450 high profile artist in 4000 concerts over 45 yrs. >I< never even heard of the guy, and I was sent to work with him, and he was already touring for 5 yrs. In th eold days I'd know everything I need to know about them, because everyone knew who they were.

Now days, the music we hear on YT are local artist using PCs as mentioned above. They're not getting into an ambient studio, with mics and acustics and most of all, a real sound engineer with decades of tricks up his sleeve. Kinda recycles back to the above.

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2025, 01:06:14 PM »
Watched the rock and roll hall of fame show last night..

Didn't understand putting hip hop "artists" into it..seemed some were understandably upset with this nomination taking decades while others with much less success getting in before them..

Made a joke out of entire thing imo

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I absolutely REFUSED to go out with any hip-hop or rap. I did a couple, never ever again. Just nonsense. Understandably upset? Meh!. many artist just got in after 50 yrs and some of the band doesn't even exist anymore. I can't stand whiners, nor clowns on stage. <runs>

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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2025, 02:57:29 PM »
America's got some stuff going on but it's certainly not what the studios want to support. 


   

For the most part, rock went to japan and was assimilated into many different genres of music. 



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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2025, 03:04:30 PM »
Pretty much on the money, pun intended. I didn't realize exactly how it happened in radio, but MS radio is absolutely garbage now. I have thought for a very long time to try to open a local radio station to promote local artist but I'm sure I'd have to claw through hell... not only have I witnessed the decline of alternative rock, they have also manipulated it into what I call "Festival Rock" which is sorta girly if you ask me. Bands like 21 pilots, Imagine Dragons, ect. (Which I'm not saying are bad but...) you really have to go out of your way to find real powerful rock music today.

Rock music is not dead. It's the MSM and radio industry that's trying to kill it or manipulate it into pop rock away from heaviness and power.

When they got rid of 96 Rock and 99X in Atlanta, thats when I realized what was going on.

I'm so sick of the MS Music industry I could go on and on.

No local radio,
No local artists getting any attention really at all.
Anything harder than Godsmack ain't gonna make the radio
They don't even have stations for good trance, electronica, or Future Garage. It's ridiculous.
Same 2 songs from the same 10 bands over and over again.. so many good songs that never got played.


There are many bands I'm just now finding out about from the early 2000s that I cannot believe I've never heard of before. I search youtube and just click random bands just to see how they sound and go through their records on Spotify to find the best songs.

Pandora was the best thing to happen in the mid 2005s where it introduced me to so many different types of music and metal bands. It was a life saver. I use to listen to some awesome heavy metal music late into the night playing AH. A favorite past time of mine.

I feel like so many people never understand the true power of music because all they hear their entire life is the same MS songs over and over again from the radio. It's sad really. Music can heal you, it's literally a vibrational drug, and so many don't know or understand the power of it, which is why the MSM producers push garbage nasty rap/pop that influences poor behavior. The old conspiracy was paying rappers to push garbage to get more in private prisons. What a complete shame. Most don't understand the power of music because they are trapped by MSM garbage and don't venture out to find other artists.

So many bands didn't get the notoriety they deserved because of the stupid main stream radio stations manipulating to only play 1 or 2 songs from the main "approved" rock bands, and many of those were sellouts who changed their sound for the Main Stream producers. We've seen time and time again bands with great albums early on turn to girly crap in the years later. To harp on the Taylor Swift crazy, they realized a while back that 13 year old girls run the music industry, so that's what they push, disregard everyone else and their music interest.

Here is my Power Rock Playlist. How many of these bands from the early 2,000s have you heard? I just found some of these songs last year... its a shame because they are really good.



https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6dNYr05wlrChXj7KhBYc0i?si=U5O-ZwdoSpmXI26K9An6jg&pi=6fQu6mG6QSSSe

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2025, 03:15:25 PM »
America's got some stuff going on but it's certainly not what the studios want to support. 

For the most part, rock went to japan and was assimilated into many different genres of music. 


In a lot of cases. But Europe probably has the biggest and widest music industry. They love everything. Bands that can't make it in the uppity USA market kill it over there.


Sliding backwards, I was almost burned out on Led Zepplin, Aerosmith, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath before they even hit the radio. The bestest stuff was NOT on the radio in early 70s. They were selling out concerts before getting one song on the radio played until we puked. Led Zepplin sold out many concerts on word of mouth alone, beating ticket commercials. But radio came later.  it was all about the vinyl and its cover back then.

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2025, 04:03:19 PM »
Check out wfmu.org, they are a community radio station that plays local and obscure things

That reminds me of WHFS from the DC area.

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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2025, 06:36:31 PM »
WXRT in Chicago did the same for early 70s until present.

WLUP (The Loop) in Chicago did a "Hometown Album" a couple times in the late 70s. They came up with a list and had listeners vote. In the end something like 5-7 local artist bands were chosen to be on it, each getting one original song to record. Several friends had a band and they got on it. But,.. to be honest, it didn't really sell as much as they thought.

So many attempts to get hidden new artist to break through but it was rare.

Not sure about today, but the past years the odds of breaking through big are 1 in 3 million.

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2025, 08:17:01 AM »
Sirius/XM Deep Tracks. All of the bands I like. Some bands I never heard of I didn't know I'd like. Great DJs. Exactly zero(well... almost) of the same 75 songs played on a constant loop on OTA radio and best of all... No commercials! I gladly pay for that.

As if that wasn't bad enough, where I am about 40 miles out of Philly I noticed some years ago my reception of the local rock stations dropped like a stone. One changed formats to sports which I liked a lot. Could hardly get them most of the time. I asked the UD radio station manager if I was imagining it. Said, nope! It's digital radio. That 50k watt signal is now broken up into OTA, HD1, HD2, etc. The carrier channel that sends all the track info to your modern radios. Ah that high powered signal I used to get ain't all that anymore. Also not a problem with Sirius.

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2025, 09:19:00 AM »
Sirius/XM Deep Tracks. All of the bands I like. Some bands I never heard of I didn't know I'd like. Great DJs. Exactly zero(well... almost) of the same 75 songs played on a constant loop on OTA radio and best of all... No commercials! I gladly pay for that.

As if that wasn't bad enough, where I am about 40 miles out of Philly I noticed some years ago my reception of the local rock stations dropped like a stone. One changed formats to sports which I liked a lot. Could hardly get them most of the time. I asked the UD radio station manager if I was imagining it. Said, nope! It's digital radio. That 50k watt signal is now broken up into OTA, HD1, HD2, etc. The carrier channel that sends all the track info to your modern radios. Ah that high powered signal I used to get ain't all that anymore. Also not a problem with Sirius.

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Yep I do the same. Sirius keeps it alive.

That said,… i was a drummer for 12 yrs, did the whole twirling sticks thing, a showman. but a lot of us realized we don’t have to fight getting out and still make a living off working for bands that did break through. 90% of all crew members are musicians. We can all play something fluently. Where ya get gtr and drum techs and lighting and sound engineers.

Joe Walsh did a tour in 75 I saw called Joe Walsh & Barnstorm. Turn d out Barnstorm was his crew that created a band and opened for his show. Alabama crew was the same, had a band called Bama, Band and they were killer.

And this is where a lot of musicians who didn’t break through go. So instead of struggling in one band we work for all of the big boys.


Side note: Cheap Trick and Styx are local boys who in the 80s hung out in a 3200 seat rock club I used to work as Sound Engineer and bouncer. We all know each other.  I ended up working for both.  Last time I saw Robin Zandler singer of CT in late 90s-2000 he was living in a trailer park in N. IL. After a divorce. Gtr player for CT got most the money.

Last time I worked for and had dinner with Styx we talked about going home and mowing the grass after 3 wks, or fixing gutters on the house. I think they finally pulled the plug this year.

Aerosmith and Styx used to play a country club in town here before they made it big. I saw them long before famous. Styx broke through with “ Lady”. With Aerosmith it was “Dream On”. I refused to work with Steven Tylor, jerk.

I got to ride the tsunami, unfortunately, I also watched it go back to the sea of nonsense. We’re all retiring now. :( 

which brings me full circle to the subject. Depressing.

Jerry the flute player from Marshall Tucker band, who I worked with a LOT, and I played AW, lost track of him when AH came. He passed away a few years ago. I think we chose flight sims to keep the eye candy and adrenaline flowing.

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I’m not obsessed, its my nature.

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2025, 01:24:03 PM »

Yep I do the same. Sirius keeps it alive.

That said,… i was a drummer for 12 yrs, did the whole twirling sticks thing, a showman. but a lot of us realized we don’t have to fight getting out and still make a living off working for bands that did break through. 90% of all crew members are musicians. We can all play something fluently. Where ya get gtr and drum techs and lighting and sound engineers.

Joe Walsh did a tour in 75 I saw called Joe Walsh & Barnstorm. Turn d out Barnstorm was his crew that created a band and opened for his show. Alabama crew was the same, had a band called Bama, Band and they were killer.

And this is where a lot of musicians who didn’t break through go. So instead of struggling in one band we work for all of the big boys.


Side note: Cheap Trick and Styx are local boys who in the 80s hung out in a 3200 seat rock club I used to work as Sound Engineer and bouncer. We all know each other.  I ended up working for both.  Last time I saw Robin Zandler singer of CT in late 90s-2000 he was living in a trailer park in N. IL. After a divorce. Gtr player for CT got most the money.

Last time I worked for and had dinner with Styx we talked about going home and mowing the grass after 3 wks, or fixing gutters on the house. I think they finally pulled the plug this year.

Aerosmith and Styx used to play a country club in town here before they made it big. I saw them long before famous. Styx broke through with “ Lady”. With Aerosmith it was “Dream On”. I refused to work with Steven Tylor, jerk.

I got to ride the tsunami, unfortunately, I also watched it go back to the sea of nonsense. We’re all retiring now. :( 

which brings me full circle to the subject. Depressing.

Jerry the flute player from Marshall Tucker band, who I worked with a LOT, and I played AW, lost track of him when AH came. He passed away a few years ago. I think we chose flight sims to keep the eye candy and adrenaline flowing.

I’m conditioned to build stuff for the band/game, I’m crew :)
I’m not obsessed, its my nature.

Pasha (AW) made gtrs for artist like Slash.

We love this sht.

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Re: What happened to rock/music
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2025, 05:19:22 PM »
My favorite "rock" band..we have seen them in concert more than any other band



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