Taiwan

[hazmatt]

Anyone think this isn't possible in the United States?

Seems they smuggled the drones close to the airbase before launching..

https://youtube.com/shorts/3M2_jAaKQHA?si=LX0Fb5iqontBrJf6

Just wondering if such an attack on Dulles or LaGuardia Airport during holiday season wouldn't have better results than a few dozen military aircraft...

Eagler

They assured us that all those military age men coming across the boarder were nothing to worry about.

[Eagler]

Attacking a bunch of civilian airliners at the gates filled with people is a good way to get yourself nuked.

No more of this 20 years trying to clear out the extremists bs. We learned our lesson. I hope.

If the one who launched them can be easily and/or correctly identified...

Pretty sure we will be told who to believe it was...

Eagler

[AKIron]

Drone attack if you really want to piss someone off. Missiles with EMP warheads launched from freighters off our coasts to really make it hurt.

[perdue3]

Good point.  Never should have gotten to this point and we're all to blame.

We are all to blame? How is it my fault? Genuinely intrigued how you can trace it to me. Because I am an American consumer that is forced to buy stuff that is made in Taiwan because there is no other option within a reasonable price range for people in my social class?

[Eagler]

Drone attack if you really want to piss someone off. Missiles with EMP warheads launched from freighters off our coasts to really make it hurt.

Any reason to think China's buddy wouldn't pitch in a couple dozen of these to keep things interesting?



They only have to ignite the internal discontent and we will do the rest..

Eagler

[AKIron]

Conflict spurs technology advancement like nothing else. Must be that drive to survive.

[Brooke]

2 nm and upcoming 1.6 nm are Taiwan only. 3 and 4 nm are mostly made in Taiwan.  US production of 4 nm won't be up and running until 2030 assuming no schedule overruns.

TSMC makes 60% of world's semiconductors and 90% of the high-end semiconductors (3 nm and lower).

-- GM, Ford, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Toyota, Tesla, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. use TSCM chips for sensors, cpus, control systems, env. control).
-- Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier, etc. use lots of TSMC semiconductors.
-- US military radar, missile guidance, ecm, tanks, ships, drones, satellites, control systems, comms systems, etc. use lots of TSMC chips.
-- Apple, nVidia, AMD, Qualcomm, Android phones, toasters, microwaves, thermostats, medical equipment, etc. use TSMC chips.

If TSMC became unavailable, those products would become mostly unavailable for years.

If Taiwan were attacked by China, I think it likely all of TSMC's semiconductor processing would be destroyed -- by China if it failed taking the island, and by the US if China was taking the island.

This is one reason (among others) why the current administration is using techniques to push TSMC to manufacture in the US and why it was so gigantically stupid to not do this previously.

It is also gigantically stupid for the US not to use a few $billion to solve the EMP-vulnerability problem (which right now is such that we are 100% vulnerable to anyone with a couple nukes launched from container ships to destroy everything electrical in the US -- pumps, cars, trains, airplanes, tractors, motorcycles, electric motors, gasoline motors, diesel motors, water systems, waste systems, transport systems, and thus kill 90+% of US citizens as they run out of water and food starting in about 3 days of the event).  But that's another discussion of the incompetence and idiocy of our government.

[Shuffler]

Will all Chinese back attacking Taiwan?

[AKIron]

Will all Chinese back attacking Taiwan?

Probably not the half that live in North Texas. 

[Brooke]

Will all Chinese back attacking Taiwan?

Like the US whenever it is doing something, some large % would and some large % wouldn't.  Is it 50/50?  60/40? 70/30?  Don't know, but I'd guess the large majority of Chinese people do think Taiwan is rightfully part of China.

Also, in China, the government does what it wants, unless there is a substantial fear of large-scale revolt.  China government seemed to fear large-scale revolt if it didn't lighten up on its socialism knob, allowing people to own some businesses and keep some profit.  But they don't seem to fear annihilating whole towns, forcibly relocating population, putting people into camps, stealing people's money, taking way rights to transportation, enforcing "social credit", killing this or that businessman or politician for transgressing some narrative, using secret police to put pressure on citizens, etc.

[DmonSlyr]

If China invades or 'occupies' Taiwan, they would be incredibly stupid to do so under the current administration. If it were me, if they even touched Taiwan, there would be a suprised dam failure collapse and GG to what ever they think they'd gain in Taiwan. Further, all their American owned land would be seized the next day and Id encourage every other country to do so. They will not be able to take over NVDA and TSM so it would be pointless IMO.

China is a house of cards. Remember, they are compromised by economic monetary manipulation. They cannot afford to cut margins anymore considering they are already walking a tight rope.

The UN either needs to grow some balls, or they will inherently feel the wrath. The sell out Olympic committee already bowed down by having it called "Chinese Taipai". That should be all they get. You notice Russia is essentially acting the same way towards Ukraine, and the UN is already dealing with that wrath. I hope for the same amount of outrage from the left if China makes a move. I doubt you will see it though since the UN,WHO, and WEF, is already compromised by China already anyway using their manipulation. The "world" would be very wise to bulk up against that power.

[RUSH1]

If China invades or 'occupies' Taiwan, they would be incredibly stupid to do so under the current administration. If it were me, if they even touched Taiwan, there would be a suprised dam failure collapse and GG to what ever they think they'd gain in Taiwan. Further, all their American owned land would be seized the next day and Id encourage every other country to do so. They will not be able to take over NVDA and TSM so it would be pointless IMO.

China is a house of cards. Remember, they are compromised by economic monetary manipulation. They cannot afford to cut margins anymore considering they are already walking a tight rope.

The UN either needs to grow some balls, or they will inherently feel the wrath. The sell out Olympic committee already bowed down by having it called "Chinese Taipai". That should be all they get. You notice Russia is essentially acting the same way towards Ukraine, and the UN is already dealing with that wrath. I hope for the same amount of outrage from the left if China makes a move. I doubt you will see it though since the UN,WHO, and WEF, is already compromised by China already anyway using their manipulation. The "world" would be very wise to bulk up against that power.

I agree, but a most of the west including a lot of  Americans love them some China.

[Busher]

Most of these posts assume that the leader's of China and Russia care about the ongoing health of their population or about their economy.

The losses Russia suffered in WW2 and are suffering now in Ukraine are examples of their military position.

The 1976 RCA Project, one of the first significant policy shifts, facilitated critical technology transfer from the U.S., which led to Taiwan's first IC plant and laid the groundwork for technological advancement. In other words the technology left the USA with full endorcement but now the discussion is about spending lives to cover this mistake?

[CptTrips]

Most of these posts assume that the leader's of China and Russia care about the ongoing health of their population or about their economy.

The losses Russia suffered in WW2 and are suffering now in Ukraine are examples of their military position.

The 1976 RCA Project, one of the first significant policy shifts, facilitated critical technology transfer from the U.S., which led to Taiwan's first IC plant and laid the groundwork for technological advancement. In other words the technology left the USA with full endorcement but now the discussion is about spending lives to cover this mistake?

I agree, but unless you have a time machine, that is no longer the question.  That is all shoulda, woulda, coulda at this point. 

At this point: What would you sacrifice to keep from living in a world where the Chinese are sole arbiters of who gets to have a chip for the next 5-10 years?

It would be like having the boot of a silicone OPEC on our throat.  Is that acceptable?  For most American's probably yes.  That is why I don't think we will go all in to defend them.

I don't know the answer, but I don't like that idea either.

[Busher]

I agree, but unless you have a time machine, that is no longer the question.  That is all shoulda, woulda, coulda at this point. 

At this point: What would you sacrifice to keep from living in a world where the Chinese are sole arbiters of who gets to have a chip for the next 5-10 years?

It would be like having the boot of a silicone OPEC on our throat.  Is that acceptable?  For most American's probably yes.  That is why I don't think we will go all in to defend them.

I don't know the answer, but I don't like that idea either.

I know - but God knows how tired one gets of watching the so-called PTB's (powers that be) compounding one mistake with another.