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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2026, 10:47:46 AM »
Its kinda strange to me they try so hard to discredit, provide no real backup for their discrediting claims, and then call you paranoid for asking questions from your observations and research. Isnt that strange. For the longest time, they denied cloud seeding existed, until a cloud seeding CEO got on FOX and discussed what they do. So now that we know cloud seeding is a real thing. Why would they deny other aerosol spraying techniques that may be damaging? Its interesting how hard they chirp against emissions pollution, but don't seem to care at all about contrials hat dont dissipate Iike water does and form skies so thick it blocks the suns light like my last picture.

What I found really interesting is, one day, not a single contrail  in the sky at 30k feet and its perfectly sunny outside. The next, temp doesn't change, but at 30k theres 5 perfectly spread out contrails spreading out in the sky rather than dissapearing behind the jet like normal contrails. Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt. Are we just supposed to assume there was no flights that day? Or that the sky at 30k changed so much day over day that now contrails stay in the air longer?

Why try so hard to discredit?
Why try so hard to discredit science? Just because you don't understand it does not mean it is wrong.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2026, 10:54:13 AM »
Certainly contrails form naturally. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Could chemicals or other nefarious materials be dispensed this way? Sure, but I seriously doubt they are.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2026, 11:08:00 AM »
With so much going on I am sorry you choose to see a conspiracy of evil in something as innocuous as water vapor... and what is also interesting is the fact we had this same discussion 2 or 3 years ago.

1: All jets leave a trail of water vapor. If the upper air (30=40K) is relatively dry, the water vapor evaporates quickly and the jet's contrail will be short in length and short in duration - or might not form at all.

2: If the upper air is relatively moist, the contrails will not easily evaporate (actually sublimate since contrails quickly freeze) and can easily extend for hundreds of miles.

3: Upper winds which often exceed 100 knots can spread contrails and create the look of cirrus clouds.]

4: You said "Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt." I have no idea why you would make that definite statement or why you would believe that. It is categorically false. The ride at altitude is usually smooth but can also be dangerously rough. You might see a jet climbing to altitude where it briefly leaves a visible contrail that appears and disappear. That jet likely climbed through a relatively moist layer of upper air.


You said "Why try so hard to discredit?" Discredit what? or who? You?
This phenomenon was observed and proven long before you or I was even born. Maybe you might want to ask yourself how something that has existed since airplanes started to fly high, has only recently (realtively) become the source of such suspicion.

You guys tried to discredit this airforce whistle blower and say the Florida law is just to give the conspiracy guys some assurance... So there's that. I look up in the sky right now over Orlando and there isnt a cloud nor contrail in the sky. Does that mean no planes are flying at all today? Its 30 degrees outside therefore any plane flying should leave a large contrail at 30k given the temps. Secondly, there are contrails that dissipate a mile or less behind some planes, and in the same sky, a plane with a trail for 70 miles +. Whats the difference? Altitude? Meh.. it shouldn't make that large of a difference. When you are that high, there isnt enough air to create such a trail naturally without it quickly dissipating as ice is heavy and drops to melt. This is not the same as evaporation and condensation that leaks from an air molecule as it shrinks to produce clouds.

Also, explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect what so ever?

Btw, I've been recording many pictures of contrails, what I posted are just a couple of examples.

This is what a natural contrail looks like as I took this picture as im typing. So id love to see the real scientific understanding of why today, at 30 degrees outside, a longer contrail isnt forming?

Btw, science was my best subject and I got an A in Weather and Climate with a lab on top of taking major level biology with the hardest teacher ever. So I do know a little bit about science. Weather and Climate was one of my all time favorite classes.


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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2026, 11:21:34 AM »
I have no dog in this fight. Would our government be a participant in spreading disease/famine for profit/control? Maybe. But contrails are affected by so many factors like altitude, humidity, speed, weight, shape of the plane, etc... I certainly do not expect consistency in the contrails. It's a matter of motive for me and I think there are easier ways to manipulate/exploit us like creating a virus and then "vaccine".
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2026, 11:45:17 AM »
You guys tried to discredit this airforce whistle blower and say the Florida law is just to give the conspiracy guys some assurance... So there's that. I look up in the sky right now over Orlando and there isnt a cloud nor contrail in the sky. Does that mean no planes are flying at all today? Its 30 degrees outside therefore any plane flying should leave a large contrail at 30k given the temps. Secondly, there are contrails that dissipate a mile or less behind some planes, and in the same sky, a plane with a trail for 70 miles +. Whats the difference? Altitude? Meh.. it shouldn't make that large of a difference. When you are that high, there isnt enough air to create such a trail naturally without it quickly dissipating as ice is heavy and drops to melt. This is not the same as evaporation and condensation that leaks from an air molecule as it shrinks to produce clouds.

Also, explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect what so ever?

Btw, I've been recording many pictures of contrails, what I posted are just a couple of examples.

This is what a natural contrail looks like as I took this picture as im typing. So id love to see the real scientific understanding of why today, at 30 degrees outside, a longer contrail isnt forming?

Btw, science was my best subject and I got an A in Weather and Climate with a lab on top of taking major level biology with the hardest teacher ever. So I do know a little bit about science. Weather and Climate was one of my all time favorite classes.


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I'm sorry. I cannot discuss this with you anymore. Maybe it's me but you seem to make definite statements that make no sense to me. I'm happy for you that you got A's in school. (university level?)

But the science (I realize that's not a trustworthy source) is out there in countless aviation related meteorology publications. Research them or don't... maybe conspiracies are more fun.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2026, 12:09:04 PM »
So I do know a little bit about science.
Evidently not.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2026, 12:55:21 PM »
 :rofl

Ill take that as a victory then.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2026, 03:20:09 PM »
Man cannot control weather or climate.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2026, 03:33:50 PM »
This is incorrect about weather. Look what they did all the way back in Vietnam. Operation Popeye
 
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v28/d274

Now I don't believe we can change climates. Climates are mostly related to how the sun impacts the earth vs water precipitation in that area. Its a great case actually for why it makes more sense that the earth is a globe
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2026, 04:31:20 PM »
:rofl

Ill take that as a victory then.

They do say that ignorance is bliss. Victory.... not so much. :rolleyes:
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2026, 05:56:35 PM »
This is incorrect about weather. Look what they did all the way back in Vietnam. Operation Popeye
 
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v28/d274

Now I don't believe we can change climates. Climates are mostly related to how the sun impacts the earth vs water precipitation in that area. Its a great case actually for why it makes more sense that the earth is a globe

The problem is, this group of Qanon types conflate half-truths with si-fi. The core suggestion of this convo is left field.

Makes sense?

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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2026, 08:54:12 PM »
Here's another one i took today. 51 degrees around 5:50. So again, all you who "understand science" please tell me why the trail isnt 70 miles long and spreading out?

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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2026, 09:08:44 PM »
Here's another one i took today. 51 degrees around 5:50. So again, all you who "understand science" please tell me why the trail isnt 70 miles long and spreading out?

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Whats the air temp at the altitude of the plane?

Whats the speed of the plane?

Whats the water content of the air at the altitude of the plane?

This is where the science comes in.

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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2026, 09:45:50 PM »
Whats the air temp at the altitude of the plane?

Whats the speed of the plane?

Whats the water content of the air at the altitude of the plane?

This is where the science comes in.

Exactly. It is obvious from his photo that the air is relatively dry at that jet's altitude.
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Re: Revisiting an old topic
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2026, 05:22:29 AM »
Its easy to say the word science, while not even understanding it. Yalls post proves that.
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