Revisiting an old topic

[Eagler]

It's the invisible trails that are the ones we need to worry about...

The visible ones are only a concern if they cross over each other and form the deadly "X" in the sky..you don’t want to be under the X...

 

Eagler

[Spikes]

Its easy to say the word science, while not even understanding it. Yalls post proves that.

 

You are trying to compare air temperature at ground level as opposed to at 40,000ft where it is:
1. Much, much colder and
2. Much, much more consistent

[DmonSlyr]

I was not trying to compare. I was showing that its cold at ground level, therefore way above freezing at that altitude. Humidity makes no difference because there is none at that alt. Temperatures are always well below freezing at that alt. Speed of the plane doesnt matter. If conditions are always consistent at that alt. Than so would all the contrails. They'd be exactly similar to the natural contrails of the pictures I took yesterday.


Its like shooting smoke out of the back of a biplane performing sky art. It doesn't matter what the conditions are, the smoke still shoots out and allows you enough smoke to draw pictures in the sky regardless of temp, humidity, speed,  alt ect.

You guys are trying to compare contrails to clouds and that is simply a misconception.

[LilMak]

Water vapor is always present in the atmosphere. Even at 30k when it’s cold on the ground. The temperature it condensates and how long it lasts is based on atmospheric conditions.

Google WWII contrails. They weren’t loading up formations with extra chemicals when every pound was needed for fuel, ammo, and bombs.

[Lazerr]

Water vapor is always present in the atmosphere. Even at 30k when it’s cold on the ground. The temperature it condensates and how long it lasts is based on atmospheric conditions.

Google WWII contrails. They weren’t loading up formations with extra chemicals when every pound was needed for fuel, ammo, and bombs.

I must have missed the post where someone said during WW2.

[LilMak]

I must have missed the post where someone said during WW2.

Fair. My point was contrails date back well beyond the conspiracy that planes are leaching out mind control substances or whatever the soup of the day is. There was also an implied idea that length of contrails is connected to whether it’s chemicals or condensation.

[The Fugitive]

I was not trying to compare. I was showing that its cold at ground level, therefore way above freezing at that altitude. Humidity makes no difference because there is none at that alt. Temperatures are always well below freezing at that alt. Speed of the plane doesnt matter. If conditions are always consistent at that alt. Than so would all the contrails. They'd be exactly similar to the natural contrails of the pictures I took yesterday.


Its like shooting smoke out of the back of a biplane performing sky art. It doesn't matter what the conditions are, the smoke still shoots out and allows you enough smoke to draw pictures in the sky regardless of temp, humidity, speed,  alt ect.

You guys are trying to compare contrails to clouds and that is simply a misconception.

Smoke is created by adding oil to the exhaust, more oil, more smoke. It is nothing like a vapor trail.

[Animl-AW]

I think the white contrails are dumping of confiscated cocaine <nods>

[Animl-AW]

Seriously. Most these post are by conspiracy theorists who take a small half-truth from sime self describe ”specialist” video and completely ignore science, physics and common logic and Dr shopping to fill in the blanks they know nothing about. Then to save face when proven wrong they hold onto it with white knuckle death grip until they find one single person who agrees and that validates everything. They will never admit they are wrong because that kills the controversial debate addiction.

Even if they are a member of military, doctor, scientist, doesn’t mean they are automatically honest ir mentally stable. We gad a 4 star general boast Qanon delirium.

I must be bored to spend 1 min in this. Anyone with the slightest cinnection to aviation understands the below.

Contrails, short for "condensation trails," are line-shaped clouds of ice crystals formed by aircraft engine exhaust or changes in air pressure at high altitudes, usually above 25,000 feet. They occur when hot, moist jet exhaust meets cold, ambient air causing water vapor to freeze around soot particles.

[icepac]

Water is a product of the combustion of hydrocarbons.

[DmonSlyr]

Fair. My point was contrails date back well beyond the conspiracy that planes are leaching out mind control substances or whatever the soup of the day is. There was also an implied idea that length of contrails is connected to whether it’s chemicals or condensation.

The "conspiracy" if you cared to watch the whistle blower interview I posted. Is leaking of fine heavy metals to A, reflect the sun, and B, a good way to discard of the metal waste. Forest are seeing much higher levels of heavy metals as well in the soil which are making forest fires far worse and deadly.

Nevada and Oregon are much dryer atmospheres than Florida and all get similar types of trails regardless of air density or water vapor in the atmosphere where its is very small at those alts if any, anyway. Water does not go higher than the condensation point once the air molecule shrinks to release the water. Thats why when you are in a jet, you are usually flying above the clouds.

Also, no one answered my questions. Explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect on the atmosphere what so ever?

[Animl-AW]

The "conspiracy" if you cared to watch the whistle blower interview I posted. Is leaking of fine heavy metals to A, reflect the sun, and B, a good way to discard of the metal waste. Forest are seeing much higher levels of heavy metals as well in the soil which are making forest fires far worse and deadly.

Nevada and Oregon are much dryer atmospheres than Florida and all get similar types of trails regardless of air density or water vapor in the atmosphere where its is very small at those alts if any, anyway. Water does not go higher than the condensation point once the air molecule shrinks to release the water. Thats why when you are in a jet, you are usually flying above the clouds.

Also, no one answered my questions. Explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect on the atmosphere what so ever?

You ignore every fact put to you. Whats the point?

[DmonSlyr]

You ignore every fact put to you. Whats the point?

With all due respect. No one has provided any "facts" other than me by providing atleast 3 sources plus my own observations from 2 different states. You are the one choosing to take their side because it fits your perceived safe space understanding. Then youll turn around and say how real global warming is even though its 1000x more complex because it suits your safe space understanding.

Btw, I read almost every single Q post as I was following it in real time as they were being posted. Did you read every post or are you just making generalizations to suit your perceptions because thats what people tell you to think?

This is my issue with you guys. You disregard anything that doesnt suit your understanding and write everything off and then make falacy ad hominin claims about paranoia and Q anon crazies without proving any back up claims.

Again I ask you, Explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect on the atmosphere what so ever?

So IMO, you guys are falsely claiming that motor car emissions are creating global warming, then saying that it certainly isnt proven documents that show weather manipulation and sun screening with heavy metals that would in effect try to cool the earth. So is this what you guys are hiding? You dont want it to come out because you think these aerosol spraying are causing global cooling to offset your global warming conspiracy?

[Lazerr]

Listen people.. lol


I am not arguing the fact or science behind the vapors given off from airplane engines, especially at altitude, in terms of being visible.

That DOES NOT mean that these planes are NOT spraying particles into the atmosphere at the same time.

You have hundreds of hours in a plane??  Cool, I'm actually pretty jealous.  It doesn't mean jack though when we are talking about the fact people have come forward about things being distributed from aircraft at altitude.

FFS nobody is arguing the vapor trail behind the aircraft....

Well, maybe Violator is.

If you think for a second your government, red, blue, or pink... wouldn't test toejam like this out because it might "harm" you.. you are high.

Not to mention it doesn't even need to be dropped over your head.  The jet stream would be a nice delivery truck.

Between the video Violator posted, and the latest one with Tucker Carlson.. there are some strong facts in there that cant be overlooked..

What it is, what it's intent is... Who knows.

[JimmyD3]

Don't sweat the small stuff, NO ONE is getting out of here alive. Your/my last day is already set, just make sure your ready for it.