ENY again

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just to make sure I 100% understand your point, you don't  like ENY. Did i understand you correctly?

HiTech

That is correct. I think it's bad for the game and the low numbers don't justify having it in effect. But you do you. Jump on that big radar issue that nobody ever had an issue with and leave ENY alone because 4 guys here say they don't mind it.

[hitech]

That is correct. I think it's bad for the game and the low numbers don't justify having it in effect. But you do you. Jump on that big radar issue that nobody ever had an issue with and leave ENY alone because 4 guys here say they don't mind it.

The reason I push back at you so hard is that you may not even have been around for the complaints of side imbalance pre ENY. You simply keep on saying you do not like it without a single thought of what things were, or would be, without it.

A few samples of what this board looked like before ENY:
A new low in the Main Arena balance (2002)
Side balancing (2002)
Unbalanced Just Not Fun (2003)
30 on 5 - The Horde Mentality (2003)
Outnumbered by Rooks...again (2004)

2nd, you seem to not even think side balancing is important. You say get rid of it without suggesting any way to improve side balancing.

First you just wanted it not to take effect with lower numbers (it was always designed that way, but could be improved), so I am changing it, it goes in Tuesday, and you simply moved the goal posts.

And finally you do a passive aggressive post at me.

I'm done with you on this.

HiTech

[-gg-]

The reason I push back at you so hard is that you may not even have been around for the complaints of side imbalance pre ENY. You simply keep on saying you do not like it without a single thought of what things were, or would be, without it.

A few samples of what this board looked like before ENY:
A new low in the Main Arena balance (2002)
Side balancing (2002)
Unbalanced Just Not Fun (2003)
30 on 5 - The Horde Mentality (2003)
Outnumbered by Rooks...again (2004)

2nd, you seem to not even think side balancing is important. You say get rid of it without suggesting any way to improve side balancing.

First you just wanted it not to take effect with lower numbers (it was always designed that way, but could be improved), so I am changing it, it goes in Tuesday, and you simply moved the goal posts.

And finally you do a passive aggressive post at me.

I'm done with you on this.

HiTech

Started playing 2001. Came from Aw. Been around for everything. 1000's of players from this forum came to my forum and I'm still friends with 100s

I gave back to you what you gave to me in replies. Being smart. I can do it too.

I've said that with the LOW NUMBERS it's not good for the GAME because I see what it does when the numbers are low. It does not balkance the numbers by having people switch sides. It balances the numbers by having the few guys online logg off - and then the ENY goes away and the numbers are balanced.

I've suggested having AI run stats. I've suggested in game polls.

[Dadtallica]

Started playing 2001. Came from Aw. Been around for everything. 1000's of players from this forum came to my forum and I'm still friends with 100s

I gave back to you what you gave to me in replies. Being smart. I can do it too.

I've said that with the LOW NUMBERS it's not good for the GAME because I see what it does when the numbers are low. It does not balkance the numbers by having people switch sides. It balances the numbers by having the few guys online logg off - and then the ENY goes away and the numbers are balanced.

I've suggested having AI run stats. I've suggested in game polls.

Because that’s what you and others are choosing to do. You only wanna fly a specific thing what a silly argument.

You don’t want to switch side it’s fine, fly something else. You’ve been told of dozens of choices better than some of the planes. You apparently think you can’t fly.

And if ENY is always bothering you then you’re on the outnumbering side…

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Because that’s what you and others are choosing to do. You only wanna fly a specific thing what a silly argument.

You don’t want to switch side it’s fine, fly something else. You’ve been told of dozens of choices better than some of the planes. You apparently think you can’t fly.

And if ENY is always bothering you then you’re on the outnumbering side…

As usual, you don't understand the point. I'm not loyal to a side I don't care about changing sides but I do want to stay with my squadron.

But I've suggested is that AI runs stats of the actual effects of eny.

When it kicks in at low numbers what I see happening is the numbers equalizing by the numbers going down after it kicks in. That suggests people sit in the tower or log off.

I fly plenty of planes. Mostly it doesn't bother me, but I get super irritated when it gets to be in the 20s and I'm still flying against the odds in actual fights that I'm seeing on the map


So to go back to my argument that you keep ignoring. It does not work with low numbers. Even if someone does switch sides with the low numbers then the balance will instantly shift to that side. Only a one or two or three people can affect the numbers in a big way.


It's not about what I want to fly. I can fly a lot of different planes.


And it's funny that people say that I don't want to switch sides. Nobody wants to switch


I suggested a fix for the early morning times that Shane was talking about. When I think it's The Bishop's just come on with a couple of squads. Maybe even three squads and they just roll the map every morning.

I suggested that map change AI analyzes the numbers and moves people around to different countries. Keeping squads intact. People squealed like pigs over that. Even if they get moved with their entire squad they're not changing countries for anything! Lol!


In fact why don't you do a poll on how many people are loyal to their stupid chess piece?


What I'm saying is that it just does not work for the game when the numbers are low. And you people keep going back to it it's just me not wanting to fly a certain plane. I fly plenty of planes. The plan that I fly the most is probably the p-47 d40.

I think that if I were Dale I would be figuring out if it actually works for the game

When Dale suggested possibly adding AI planes to make up the numbers? People squealed over that too. Because people don't like change. I'm fine with having AI plains defend bases or whatever. Who cares? Act does the same thing.


You act like you're open-minded but I bet you're not.

[Dadtallica]

It’s in the poll go see

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What I would like to see happen you guys will cry like babies about.

I would like to see, after every map change that AI jumbles people around to the different countries based on stats. Even the numbers is closest possible. Keep squads intact but move them around.

When the numbers are this low, one squadron can throw the numbers off. And if you have three squadrons coming on in the morning every morning and they're always on bishops, they are always going to be rolling the map.


Do something creative. But people will cry over that. And they did. Because they don't want to change countries no matter what. Even if their whole squad comes with them.


I would also not mind seeing AI planes coming up to defend bases when the eny would normally kick in. Just takes a few things to even it out when the numbers are low.


But the first thing I would do would be to not take anybody's opinion on things just because they're vocal here. Including me. I would put in game polls. I've suggested it before.

Have a log out poll. When you log off what is your reason for logging out for the night? Or the day.? Not enough action? Can't find a fight? Played 2 hours already? E n y? Whatever it is. Getting gangbang?

But really I would have an analysis of what eny actually does during certain times when it kicks in hard. Do people actually switch sides to balance it out? Or do they log off? Pretty basic.

[Dadtallica]

I don’t think people realize that Delta between what’s in here and what’s out there is not that big.

It’s the same 200 or so people every single day probably less. How many people do you actually think there are especially when most arguments are about the numbers?

[Animl-AW]

Lol

Absolutely not

A few of those ideas are more evasive against the players will than ENY. No freedom

[Animl-AW]

Settings are all about baby steps, for good reason. Those who make large hasty changes their milage will vary.

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I don’t think people realize that Delta between what’s in here and what’s out there is not that big.

It’s the same 200 or so people every single day probably less. How many people do you actually think there are especially when most arguments are about the numbers?

You don't know anything about what the actual Delta is.

I'll tell you though that just in my own squadron, there are several people who won't even come on here to express their opinions at all. And they hate ENY. We actually joke about ENY on squad vox when it kicks in hard

"Making the game fun for everyone" and it's not just a passing joke. Some people get irritated to the point of reevaluating why they play the game.


Rather than go by your feelings, I would love to see actual statistics on how e n y affects the game.


Because what we see here is that people are unwilling to change countries for anything. You've seen them squealing about that. They absolutely will not change countries even if their whole squad goes with them. So that right there eliminates most of the options for relieving e n y.

The other options are that people just deal with it and they get irritated by it. But they don't say anything here. Most people won't come here to discuss things like that. The other option is they just log off.


Back in the day when there was hundreds of people or even multiple arenas, I never even had one complaint about eny.


Eny is not good when the numbers are this low. That's what I'm saying. Couple that with people unwilling to change size no matter what happens. You're going to get people logging off rather than changing sides.


So evaluate what the real effects of it are. That's all I'm asking. And I'm seeing the effects when the numbers are low to be an impact on the game in a negative way. That's what I feel.

[Dadtallica]

I for sure don’t know. I’m just going by the little bit of evidence we all have where are all these people then every day? I see the same exact names every single day because I’m there just like the rest of them every single day. Of course, nobody knows for sure because we’re not inside the business, but it’s not like they aren’t ways to figure it out relatively…

The low relative… what’s low to you is not to others.

When it gets under 70-75 people, I usually log off. I understand it’s different for everyone.

Finding fights is relative, I never have trouble finding something to do. What’s a fight to you may be something to someone else.

I think the point you’re realizing is we’re never gonna appease everybody all of the time. You’ve been pretty clear that you just want what you want and that’s all you want.

I put up a poll to inject some new data into stale arguments, a little over 100 people visited and 41 so far have answered. I’ll take a 40% conversion rate all day long! Anyone could share it with anyone in the game. It’s not limited to in here just because it’s in here.

[Eagler]

Strange how some are so in love with their chess piece that they won't switch sides for a better gameplay experience for all of us..

Do that and ENY goes away..

Eagler

[Dadtallica]

Strange how some are so in love with their chess piece that they won't switch sides for a better gameplay experience for all of us..

Do that and ENY goes away..

Eagler

You don’t have any trouble finding anyone to fight we play at the same time you’re always there. There’s always people I’m not sure what you’re even talking about.

[JimmyD3]

The reason I push back at you so hard is that you may not even have been around for the complaints of side imbalance pre ENY. You simply keep on saying you do not like it without a single thought of what things were, or would be, without it.

A few samples of what this board looked like before ENY:
A new low in the Main Arena balance (2002)
Side balancing (2002)
Unbalanced Just Not Fun (2003)
30 on 5 - The Horde Mentality (2003)
Outnumbered by Rooks...again (2004)

2nd, you seem to not even think side balancing is important. You say get rid of it without suggesting any way to improve side balancing.

First you just wanted it not to take effect with lower numbers (it was always designed that way, but could be improved), so I am changing it, it goes in Tuesday, and you simply moved the goal posts.

And finally you do a passive aggressive post at me.

I'm done with you on this.

HiTech

Hmmm I think that ends the discussion........