Author Topic: Corkscrew LW. (Read 1026 times)

Apache · « **on:** January 15, 2002, 08:29:14 AM »

Holy cow! Most ridiculous manuver I've seen to date.

Lastnight flying at 8k in a Yak9U, I look down & see about 4 friendlies chasing a 190. They chased and turned, chased and turned. I wondered what was up so I dive a little to get a closer look. 190D9 on the deck. Why aren't they killing it?

I saddle up and find out. Sheesh! This guys was using the 190 roll rate like I've never seen. He would do 3 or 4 full revolutions one way, nose down for speed, then do the same thing the other way. Heck, I couldn't get a shot! The Yak isn't the most stable guns platform anyway. I zoomed past and let the friendlies try again.

I've seen some state that AH needs to incorporate a more realistic G forces affect to the pilot model. In this case, I would agree.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2002, 08:34:56 AM »

I call that the LimpWristed shuffle.

It's very easy to kill them when they do that, I reduce throttle wait just off their 6 about 300yds back. When there's that lull in warpiness when they shift directions, I let my bullets fly. They die.
-SW

Wilbus · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2002, 09:32:00 AM »

Alot of new pilots, who don't know jack S*** about ACM, use the 190's roll speed (and other planes aswell) to cause warps, I pilot who knows how to fly, don't do this, even if he's outnumbered he dies like a man instead of gaming the game. I've seen this alot lately, and it pissess me off bad.

Apache · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2002, 09:51:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Alot of new pilots, who don't know jack S*** about ACM, use the 190's roll speed (and other planes aswell) to cause warps, I pilot who knows how to fly, don't do this, even if he's outnumbered he dies like a man instead of gaming the game. I've seen this alot lately, and it pissess me off bad.

I agree with you wilbus. I run into hazed quite alot. I've never seen him do this kind of thing, nor would he. As I used to be a knight & flew with you, I know you wouldn't either.

It was actually kind of funny watching him. You could see the desperation all over him, lol.

Am0n · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:12:36 AM »

Ive seen this BS before, probaly the same lame bellybutton doing it. Its easy to say chop throttle and wait, but im not going to do that when im trying to e fight him in a p47.

About the G-Force effects apache, totaly agree.. in cases like this its to easy to exploit it.

i hate to bring up realism when talking about a game, but you have to have a degree of it in a flight sim. this guy would have been puking his guts up in realality, if he could even stay consious long enough to do so.

sadly this thread will probably bring more of this behaviour, cant complain to much it is part of the game.

Kratzer · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:15:37 AM »

I don't understand... it isn't okay with you guys to use the biggest advantages of the Dora, roll rate and speed, to avoid death? Defensively, the Dora is the best plane in the game, IMO, simply because you can use the roll rate to constantly remove yourself from your attacker's plane of movement... then your squaddie can nail him from behind. This is like saying that a Spitfire shouldn't execute a hard horizontal break because it isn't fair. I rarely see anyone sit still and let you kill them just because you gain position on them... I thought evasion was the whole point.

Or are you saying that this guy was trying to make his plane warp by stirring the stick? If not, then this is the silliest anti-luftwhine I've ever heard.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:16:22 AM »

Actually Am0n, this type of manuever wouldn't appear as violent in the real world. Thanks to the lag time of the internet, it appears to be a rapid reversal, but in the real world this manuever would be easier to track and guesstimate what his next move would be.

Internet lag just makes it seem a lot quicker than it really is- and more violent of a manuever.
-SW

Toad · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:19:05 AM »

OK, I'm confused.

Was he just doing 3-4 aileron rolls in one direction and then nose down and reverse?

A simple roll doesn't really subject you to heavy g forces.

So, I'm not sure what "g-effects" you'd want added.

But, as I said, I'm not entirely clear on the maneuver used here.

Sox62 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:33:42 AM »

LMAO.....whining about the FW's roll rate?One of the few maneuvering strengths it has?

PERK all FW's!!!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:34:03 AM »

Funny thing I see stangs and 47s and 190s all doing that the same, especially stangs or 47 in dives.... What exactly are you complaing about, its all part of the retarded E setup of the 1.04fm, if they did that crap in 1.03fm theyd just stall and spin into the ground, remember when AH had spins???

Spits and Nikis do the same thing except is a tight turn and sideways shuffle, hard to explain I guess but they do it.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:36:58 AM »

The E retention was fuxx0rd in 1.03, they got it closer to matching real world numbers with 1.04. Why do I get this feeling that despite the claims for historical accuracy, all some people want is their version of history?

And Apache, you are talking about warp rolling, aren't you?

This isn't limited to 190s by a long shot, F4Us, 109s, virtually of the planes can do it.... but 190s tend to be the best at it.
-SW

Am0n · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:45:20 AM »

my self im not talking about simply rolling, im talking about rolling constantly while also manuevering horizontaly, thus pulling G's. It creates horrible warps.

Using the roll-rate to proform ACM is awesome, that is respectable but this is not what im talking about.

Apache · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2002, 10:56:24 AM »

Yeah. Talking about "warp rolling". This guy had it down to a science.

Like Am0n, when I see someone doin' this, I just pass em on.

Toad, I guess I was applying laymans understanding of g forces of what I saw to real world consequences. The speed at which these rolls occurred was outrageously fast, however, net lag as I understand it has a role here. Maybe instead of G forces, I shoulda said, RI forces (regurgitation initiation forces).

Sox62. Not complaining at all about the roll rate. The better 190 drivers use it perfectly.

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2002, 11:55:52 AM »

First of all, please note that I typed "(and other planes aswell)" in my post. We're not whining about the roll rate of the 190's at all, the 190 is the plane I fly most and if, HTC will ever reduce roll rate with a single degree per second, I will quite flying AH right away. The 190 i suposed to have the roll rate, it's its main defencive manuver, as it was in R/L and there was really no plane in the world that could match it. The Dora, although slower roll rate then the A versions, still aheva very good roll rate, P51 matches it pretty good though.

No, what I am complaining about (Kratzer) is that people are "gaming the game".
IMO You SHOULD use all strenghts of a plane, like you said, to win BUT, note the BUT

you should NOT use the plane to cause warp rolls etc, this is quite easy to do in the 190 because of its very high rate of roll, and it is MOSTLY doen by new people who don't know better. For you new people, I know some, maybe many of you know better so no offence ment with "new people", there are veterans who do it too and they should all be banned for 10 minutes!

Furious · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2002, 12:39:50 PM »

I fly 190's about 98% of my sorties. I try very hard to survive in it without using the internet as part of the flight envelope. Other than the standard whines, I don't believe I have ever been accused of the "floppy fish" or "warp roll".

That being said, I don't see enemy 190's very often, but have seen the "floppy fish" from them on occasion. Lately, in my observations, the biggest culprit of these types of manuevers have been the P-51d's and LA7’s. Especially the LA7’s. (And the stupid thing is it keeps them in range, hehehe)

So, I think there is a hidden agenda in titling of this thread. A bit of easy slander. This behavour is ignored when other non-LW aircraft are doing as much if not more.

F.