Author Topic: Rush has finally gone too far (Read 2415 times)

Tumor · « **Reply #15 on:** January 26, 2002, 06:41:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
Rush is a moron, but he is a careful moron. If you were to check the stats for cause of death among socio-economic classes, I think you will find the data he bases that statement upon.

As for the rich deserving better medical treatment, I doubt he said exactly that, but I know what his point was. Turn it around: If I can pay for something better than what is available for free, shouldn't I be able to do so? Or should the best available be the limited to what anyone can get for free?

well, I gotta disagree with that statement. There are inherently more poor than wealthy. My guess is the numbers will even out based on that assumption. Drug abuse, alcoholism, smoking etc is just as rampant among the have's as the have nots. (hmm...I'm drifting left..heeeelp meeeee)

Tumor · « **Reply #16 on:** January 26, 2002, 06:45:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Gadfly
Rush is a moron, but he is a careful moron. If you were to check the stats for cause of death among socio-economic classes, I think you will find the data he bases that statement upon.

As for the rich deserving better medical treatment, I doubt he said exactly that, but I know what his point was. Turn it around: If I can pay for something better than what is available for free, shouldn't I be able to do so? Or should the best available be the limited to what anyone can get for free?

Whatever needs to happen, quality medical care should be available to all, anytime, anywhere. Sure, cosmetic surgery and such is fine for the elite's but in the end....money should not be a sole extender of one's life expectancy. Perhaps doctors should re-visit thier so-called oath?

Tumor · « **Reply #17 on:** January 26, 2002, 06:46:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
Would you want FREE medical care to cover tummy tucks, nose jobs and breast augmentation?

On the other hand, would you deny these procedures to people willing to pay for them?

What Limbaugh said, taken out of context sounds extreme, but there might have been a valid point in there somewhere...

As stated above...he asked the question. It was a question with a very insenuating (sp?) tone.

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** January 26, 2002, 06:51:31 PM »

Far be it for me to defend Rush, but I have always seen him as a comedian first and a legitimate comentator second. He uses half truths and fuzzy logic to make amusing points, and I always get a kick out of the idiots calling in to "ditto" all over his fat self.

O'reilly is no better. His maximum spin zone is a joke at times. Smug SOB thinks he is making a point when he is just being trite.

OTOH I enjoy both shows (what can I say, I'm a sick puppy

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I like the fact that a doctor can get rich in this country. This is incentive for the best and the brightest to enter the medical profession. Imagine if teachers could get rich?

Tumor · « **Reply #19 on:** January 26, 2002, 06:59:48 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy

theres no reason why those procedures should be covered in basic (gov't provided) health care, but no one shouldn't have to decide wether son #1 gets medical atention or rent gets paid so the whole family has somewhere to live, and it happens every day.

even worse is the people who get labled as deadbeats because if the stay on welfare there kids get free medical but if they go to work they lose the medical coverage while most lower paying (entry level) jobs don't provide healthcare.

i've been lucky enough to have insurance for my kids, but i've met many people on public asistance who really are being kept there because the have a child with cronic health problems and if they worked they would lose the medical benifits

My cousin's daughter got hit by a car when she was only 6yrs old. This was a number of years ago, the insurance company (drivers) didn't even come close to covering her medical costs, they ended up being forced into bankruptcy.

I guess...as bad as this sounds, I think there needs to be some serious overhauling of our medical system, including legislation. The pharmaceuticle companies (of the world) are completely out of control. ie: My wife has to take a certain medication that, due to my insurance costs me nothing (military is nice). When I re-enlisted, the "insurance" system didn't update and I had to buy a bottle of 60 of these pills. $1200!!! Needless to say, I didn't buy them. I don't give a DAMN what went into production, paying scientists..whatever. $1200 dollars for a bottle of 60 little white pills is highway robbery. Colleges and Universities, end up forcing medical students to pay HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars for thier "MD" status....Doctor's are in debt up to their ears and then get faced with lawsuits costing them millions (frivolous) so THIER insurance (another example of the fleecing of america) costs them way too much so....the WEALTHY get the best medical treatment.

Hey, I lived in the U.K. and am married to a Brit. They have a model that could be studied, improved upon and implemented in the U.S. Hey....it's not the greatest thing to have to "wait your turn" but it works. My wife had a serious illness while we were over there, so she was immediately moved to the top of the list and spent a couple weeks in the Hospital. Cost?....$0 not counting the gas I went through traveling back and forth. Quality?....hey she's alive, no complications so I'd say the quality was fine.

Tumor · « **Reply #20 on:** January 26, 2002, 07:04:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Just a perception...

My wife grew up poor... welfare and all of that. I've noticed that some of her family, the one's that haven't worked their way out of government subsistance, thoroughly abuse the medical system and medicare.

Agreed. Being in the military I see this all the time. There is NOTHING that gets me as pissed off as going to the emergency room (at a military base) and walking in to find dozens of rampaging little bastards running around "with a tickle in thier throat". ....THAT is when they should charge these dorks.

1776 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 26, 2002, 07:29:52 PM »

Tumor said in his first post:

He actually went so far the other day to ask a general question...(paraphrased).... "Why shouldn't people who have more money deserve better medical care than people who don't"

What day was this and why do you use quotes? If you have access to Rush 24/7 you could relisten to the show and report accuratly the question he posed. I have a feeling that this question was part of a larger picture and illustrated a point you completely missed. I will need to know what day and which hour you are referencing so I can have accruate information before I make a judgement!!

capt. apathy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2002, 08:00:23 PM »

I agree that many abuse the medical system. At least here in Oregon those on public assistance have fairly good care in most cases, those that get screwed are the poor who try to be self sufficient, those who get up every day and work long hours at low paying jobs, I have people in my neighborhood who work 3 part time jobs (over 70 hours per week) and have no health insurance (many companies only provide healthcare for full time employees, so they don't hire full time employees) they also have the added benefit of no overtime pay since they don't go over 40 hours for any one employer. These are the people who fall through the cracks, they aren't lazy, they aren't looking for a handout, they just want a job where they can earn a living wage and they bust their bellybutton every day to try to provide for their families, and they fall short and so does our public assistance. These people can't get help (they make too much money. is there such a thing?) the women who's only job is a bar-fly/baby factory who trades her foodstamps for cigarettes can get all the free health care she wants (free dental too, better healthcare than my insurance buys actually) but the working poor get screwed by democrats and republicans alike.
Apathy
(er, well not so much apathetic on this issue)

Yeager · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2002, 08:05:33 PM »

The guy sits in a chair and talks for thre hours a day.

First off: More power to him

Second off: Who cares
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Money will buy you almost anything (except immortailty, only Jesus will get you that, or so Im told) and the more of it you have (money) the more stuff you can get and better quality too.

Thats the way it has always worked and Im afraid (for better or for worse) thats the way it will always work.

Sure, everyone should have access to free medical care but there will always be a market for higher quality for those who can afford it. Dont like it? Get an education then go get a job that pays well.

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-raxx- · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2002, 08:22:21 PM »

This Rush Limbaugh [sp?] sounds like a stirrer. He makes a comment designed to generate debate, (and judging from the responses above with some sucess), and lets "the public" pursue the argument to a conclusion. I don't live in the United States and I'm one of "the great unwashed masses", yet I can't be the only person that sees the irony in having a self-appointed spokesman for the silent majority. I therefore appoint myself the spokesman for the silent minority, (i.e. Me).

Everyone should receive all the necessary health care to maintain a reasonable quality of life. Achieving that goal is subject to the whims of politicians and the ability of the tax base to support it.

Gunthr and Maniac state that breast augmentation and nose jobs are not necessary. I'd suggest they talk to any woman who has had a breast removed in cancer surgery or a child born with a deformed palate whether they consider this type of surgery necessary.

Defining healthcare on an ability to pay takes Darwinism to an extreme. It's like saying we should have no health care because poor sick people won't survive to breeding age so we will have less sick people. We actually just end up with poor people resistant to stronger bugs attacking a progressively weaker and in-bred rich population. This economic bigotry is repugnant and can only lead to the debt slavery found in the middle ages when people were treated like cattle and sold at whim.

I can't see a solution other than to legislate "community service" for healthcare professionals. The problems occour with elective medicine drawing the talented healthcare professionals into private industry with money and reducing the available pool of resources for "basic" healthcare. If health insurance was banned then only the rich could afford treatment. With health insurance only the rich get the expensive treatment.

Anyone have a better suggestion for equal treatment?

Gadfly · « **Reply #25 on:** January 26, 2002, 09:44:28 PM »

I view it as the head of my family as my responsability to provide the best healthcare that I can. If this were a universal idea, there would be no issue.

Fatty · « **Reply #26 on:** January 26, 2002, 10:20:21 PM »

If you're talking about above and beyond care for more dollars, there is no better way or more efficient way to subsidize costs for low income health care.

Unless you would rather health care in general suffer just to make sure someone isn't having it better.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** January 26, 2002, 10:45:55 PM »

Cant say if anybody deserves better care if theyt are rich, but the rich and well connected will always have better health care.

Even in any wild idiotic socialist utopia, actually then it willl be worse.

Tumor · « **Reply #28 on:** January 27, 2002, 01:58:32 AM »

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Originally posted by 1776
Tumor said in his first post:

He actually went so far the other day to ask a general question...(paraphrased).... "Why shouldn't people who have more money deserve better medical care than people who don't"

What day was this and why do you use quotes? If you have access to Rush 24/7 you could relisten to the show and report accuratly the question he posed. I have a feeling that this question was part of a larger picture and illustrated a point you completely missed. I will need to know what day and which hour you are referencing so I can have accruate information before I make a judgement!!

It was thursday I believe...and I use quotes because, well I was quoteing as best I could. Like I said before, his tone and direction pointed to his belief that the wealthy OUGHT to deserve better medical care than the ..."average"...it's roadkill and I'll go to my grave saying so.

Tumor · « **Reply #29 on:** January 27, 2002, 02:02:15 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
Iwomen who's only job is a bar-fly/baby factory who trades her foodstamps for cigarettes can get all the free health care she wants (free dental too, better healthcare than my insurance buys actually)

I see this allot. Along with people spending foodstamps on food then turning around and buying a dozen lottery tickets and such. If I even thought I wouldn't go to jail I'd follow them to thier cars and slash thier tires.