Author Topic: Flying manners (Read 3487 times)

Animal · « **Reply #105 on:** February 21, 2002, 06:32:25 PM »

I cant believe someone who flies Dora and 109G10 believes the Yak9U is dweeby and disrespectful.

Apache · « **Reply #106 on:** February 21, 2002, 06:41:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying

It started out as an Axis High thread and soon became a Mandoble is #1 thread. Don't waste your time.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Thought as much. Thanks Todd.

illo · « **Reply #107 on:** February 21, 2002, 06:59:48 PM »

AH Dora handles very well and is quite easy plane to survive in. One of best rides in AH IMHO. In dora one can do mistakes that would kill a8 pilot and live.

Anyway i think a8 is very good plane, but it needs more care and SA to stay alive in. Kill are more rewarding in it..so it's my choice.

just my opinion.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #108 on:** February 21, 2002, 07:36:47 PM »

ROFLOL, this is simply pathetic. How can somebody that has NULL experience flying a plane compare it with another one where he has also NULL experience, taking into account that he has fought both in very few ocassions and flying a Spit

It is really funny to read that one teaching the advantages and dissadvantages of planes that has never used in fight (oh! yeah! your H2Hs ROFLOL). Talk about the maximum dweebery of your hispanospitter if u want, but dont talk about something absolutely unknown for u.

And learn to read, ENY argument was of Wulfe, not mine.

For your info, my preferred ride has been always 190A8, even more than A5. D9 came as main ride with the La7 arrival. If any doubt, check stats at will. I have something to say about every 190, even F8, you have none.

In any case, this is a no-exit street. U may keep flying only spit and continue teaching about anything u wish, experienced players will have a really fun reading with your posts.

For the rest of readers thinking now that D9 is very easy to handle, go online and fight with it. Then pick up everything else, even A8 and compare. And remember, handling is not speed.

AKIron · « **Reply #109 on:** February 21, 2002, 07:56:20 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE

And learn to read, ENY argument was of Wulfe, not mine.

To whom are you addressing this comment Mandoble? This was your comment:

"And based on ENY, Spit is uber compared to D9."

I have to assume your talking about the spit 9 since it is 5 ENY points better than the Dora while the Dora is 12 points better than the Spit 5. The Dora is also 7 points better than the Yak9U. Just doing the math for ya.

By your logic 5 points makes a plane "uber" over another. Guess that makes the Dora more Dweeby than the Yak9U or Spit5.

I'm simply trying to follow your logic here. Please enlighten me.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #110 on:** February 21, 2002, 07:57:30 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
ROFLOL, this is simply pathetic. How can somebody that has NULL experience flying a plane compare it with another one where he has also NULL experience, taking into account that he has fought both in very few ocassions and flying a Spit

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First of all, as I've mentioned, I don't have "NULL" experience in 190s. Second, I've had plenty of encounters with all sorts of 190s, Doras especially. What you won't see in my stats are plenty of them killing me or me killing them, because the 190, not the Spit V, determines the fight. Occasionally I manage to kill some who screw up, but usually I just avoid them until they pick easier targets. Why is it so hard for you to understand this?

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It is really funny to read that one teaching the advantages and dissadvantages of planes that has never used in fight (oh! yeah! your H2Hs ROFLOL). Talk about the maximum dweebery of your hispanospitter if u want, but dont talk about something absolutely unknown for u.

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You have no problems talking about the "maximum dweebery" of my "hispanospitter" despite almost "NULL" experience in them. And I'd venture that I have substantially more experience in 190s than you have in any type of Spit. The 190 is not absolutely unknown to me -- in fact I know it fairly well. What's hilarious here is that everyone in this thread except you, including those who fly all types of 190s, agree with my assessments rather than yours. Don't you find that peculiar? Are you going to tell them to shut up too? Why would they agree with me and not you? Is it some vast anti-Mandoble conspiracy? Or, just maybe, I'm right and you're not.

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And learn to read, ENY argument was of Wulfe, not mine.

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Learn to write. I'm not the only one to misunderstand what you were trying to say.

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For your info, my preferred ride has been always 190A8, even more than A5. D9 came as main ride with the La7 arrival. If any doubt, check stats at will. I have something to say about every 190, even F8, you have none.

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LOL You are an arrogant little salamander, aren't you? First of all, using your very same reasoning, this entire thread should never have occurred. Who are you, having "NULL" experience in Spits, N1Ks, Yaks, and La7s, to write about how easy or difficult they are to fly? Who are you to judge them at all when you know nothing about them?

You're right, you do have something to say about every 190, even the F8... unfortunately, most of it is either misinformed, wrong, or hopelessly biased to suit your own ends. What's pathetic isn't that I list the flight properties of the various 190s despite less experience in them than you... it's the fact that my assessment of the 190s hits closer to the mark than yours despite your experience.

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In any case, this is a no-exit street. U may keep flying only spit and continue teaching about anything u wish, experienced players will have a really fun reading with your posts.

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LOL

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For the rest of readers thinking now that D9 is very easy to handle, go online and fight with it. Then pick up everything else, even A8 and compare. And remember, handling is not speed.

I did just that earlier today. The A8 was substantially more difficult to handle than the D9. The D9 was much more stable, much less likely to kick into violent spins, and overall what I would consider a better handling plane. That, in addition to its speed, makes it formidable. Others here have done exactly what you suggest and report results identical to mine, not yours.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Toad · « **Reply #111 on:** February 21, 2002, 08:10:14 PM »

Hey, Todd... I know you've heard this one:

“Never wrestle with a pig. You just get tired and dirty and the pig enjoys it.”

There's another good one too.....

"Never use a cannon to kill a mosquito."

Cya up there. You were right in your other post; there's better uses for our time.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #112 on:** February 21, 2002, 08:16:26 PM »

Hey mandoble.. there's a really easy way to prove you are right...

fly a Yak and go 545:48 in it. Film it so we know you're not simply vulching away.

Come on... I dare ya.

Hell.. you can even half it if you want... 222:24.

Yep.. should be pretty easy to do in such an uber plane for such a highly skilled pilot like yourself.

Till then.. you might as well shut up cause you're just making yourself look like a love muffin.

AKDejaVu

Nath[BDP] · « **Reply #113 on:** February 21, 2002, 09:02:14 PM »

hi

Let me clarify something 1st, Mandoble is by far no where close to being one of the best LW pilots in AH. Incidentally, his refractory comments on the 190s are much less factual than Leviathn's--the latter's are very genuine. Leviathn doesn't need to fly the 190s 200 hours a month to notice the demeanors of the four models. I have dueled Leviathn in my varied aircrafts of choice, and in his. We can both fly any aircraft pretty much evenly and he is BY FAR a much better pilot in the 190s than Mandoble.

I consider myself and Leviathn both the most versed pilots in AH, and I can attest to the fact that we both can fly any plane in AH sucessfully--its a habit that comes naturally after playing this sim for 2+ years. I.E. I hardly ever fly the F4U, but after fighting them and flying them (at times) for so long, I can tell what they can and cannot do. Thus I have experience with them.

To type that someone doesn't have experience with certain planes just because their MA stats don't show them flying or gettting alot of kills of the aircraft in question, is weak rhetoric. I'm confident that Lev could destroy 99.9% of AH pilots 1v1 in any
plane of their choice. Point being, from a Pov of a person flying 190s since beta, Leviathn is a more viable and accurate source on aircraft characteristics than Mandoble.

Now onto the 190s.

I totally disquisition on Mandobles belief that the D9 is the most difficult aircraft to fly, and furthermore that the Spit is easier.

First of all, the A8 is the most challenging aircraft to fly in AH. This is true even if you are simply BnZing because you need to make your shots count and your energy used correctly. Constant up and down BnZing will eventually get you dead. Thus a pilot needs to be not too aggressive, but also not too unaggressive. One must learn to strike a perfect balance between these two extremes to be effective in the A8. As well as learn how to maneuver when at a disadvantage. The same is true for the SpitV especially, since one must be dutiful in that he can strike a perfect balance between shooting, evading, and maneuvering. Obviously the natural reflexes and skills needed to accomplish flying a SpitV greatly exceeds that of a D9. That is of course because you will always die faster in a D9 when faced with a disadvantage than the SpitV. Because of this, a D9 pilot will always use the vertical more than a SpitV pilot will, since his plane can out climb, out dive, out roll, out run, out zoom, the opposition. The tactics assosicated with flying the D9 in a way that won't threaten being shot down--takes very little skill as opposed to flying the SpitV.

The D9, therefore, is a machine that isn't neccessarily harder to fly, but easier to fight and get kills in.

Hooligan · « **Reply #114 on:** February 21, 2002, 09:46:56 PM »

Nath I think your post was very perceptive.

Now if only somebody could explain to me how anyone could believe that: "LW fighters are the best and LW fliers are the most skilled because LW fighters are the most demanding to fly."

Hooligan

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #115 on:** February 21, 2002, 09:58:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Cya up there. You were right in your other post; there's better uses for our time.

hehe You are of course right, Toad. Still, the gaping maw of Mandoble's ignorance calls out to me, begging for enlightenment. It seems I can never resist such a challenge.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Toad · « **Reply #116 on:** February 21, 2002, 10:41:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying

...Still, the gaping maw of Mandoble's ignorance calls out to me, begging for enlightenment. It seems I can never resist such a challenge.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Well, if you must.

Just hurry up and pack his BS back in the hole it came from, tamp it down and get back to playing the game.

straffo · « **Reply #117 on:** February 22, 2002, 01:57:06 AM »

WARNING : Swag at work

I've used the D9 as the dweeb I am and I noticed the following points :

Roll rate is to big for me (that's why I like the typhoon and the yak) it make me sick (motion sickness sorry ...

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Overall behaviour is fine (turning zooming ...) this kite is (swag again) fastest than the Yak and dive better.

It doesn't bleed speed as fast as the Yak (yet again swag at work) it recall me the Marianne or the Pégase (French glider)

In fact even if she's not sexy as the Yak I find it more or as survivable as the Yak

Kanth · « **Reply #118 on:** February 22, 2002, 02:18:40 AM »

Thank you.

I've seen a couple of people mention this now. I'm fairly new to AH and I'm definately not used to *it's* planes but primarily I've been flying the P47 with some excursions in the D9 and A8..

I'm having an absolutely terrible time trying to hit anything unless it's completely still. I've fallen to spraying =( in order to hit sometimes in absolute frustration and I've actually rammed planes trying to get close enough to where these bullets would not stray.

I've tried many different convergence settings and it just seems to be a sometimes they hit sometimes they fly sideways sort of deal.

Is there some setting that is missing here? are the bullets ricocheting off the end of the freaking barrel? It's truely frustrating and keeps me from playing the game very often.

in IL2 when I aim, at least some of the bullets come out straightish and then all I have to do is account for manuvering and drop..

in AH they seem to just wander whatever way they will.

I've picked up some extremely bad habits so far but I just don't know what else to do except not play AH.

As far as flying manners go, if I see someone trying to avoid the HO I look at the cost to me of letting them pass. If it may very well cost me my life, I nail em. If I have to yank around to hit them I'll usually use that to extend if possible.

Sometimes I'll HO sometimes I won't...depends on how lazy I feel or how threatened I feel and what I have to work with at the time.

If I'm avoiding a HO I depend on ME to avoid it. If I fail I'm hit and rightly so. I do not expect the opponent to hold fire until we're lined up in a way that I find more appropriate.

All in all it depends on the situation and my mood and if I know who the pilot of the enemy plane is or not.

As far as Uber rides go, I just do not have the experience to say.

There is much to be said about flying a plane to it's strengths and so then making it an advantage and an easier plane to fight.

If you fight against your own plane you will lose and it will seem harder to you.

Kanth

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Originally posted by Vortex

If there's one area I do have problems in the D9 it is hitting stuff with the guns. I don't know why but by and large I can't hit a thing with this plane. I'll line up a shot similar to how I would with the A8 or A5, fire, and not hit a thing. That alone causes me far more deaths in this plane than I likelyt should have. Frustration takes over and I inevitably do something stupid.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #119 on:** February 22, 2002, 02:26:21 AM »

Tonight I took the Mandoble Challenge and only flew the incredibly difficult 190D9 in the MA.

Twenty-eight kills and three deaths later, I surmise that he's smoking crack if he believes the Dora is even remotely close to the most difficult plane to fly in AH. In fact, I'd rank it downright dweeby.

-- Todd/Leviathn